This is one of the best articles on infiltration of sectarian menace in Balochs that I have read.

Contrary to other racist types, this does not stereotype Balochs.

Well done Ali Ahsan Suprah

A self-exiled Baloch activist is promoting an ISI-sponsored HDP thug who dilutes Shia genocide, divides Shia nation. The same Baloch activist also lanuched ad hominem attack on the author of this post through lies and false propaganda.

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Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
Having fake conversations on tweeter and airing your hatred is a trick that I know since the very first days of my joining twitter.

Saleem Javed ‏@mSaleemJaved
@MirSohaib Baloch & Hazara nations have been very much subjected to persecution. Unity is needed more than ever. @anne_baluch @kuchuluchii
Retweeted by Sohaib Mengal Baloch

Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
Having fake conversations on tweeter and airing your hatred is a trick that I know since the very first days of my joining twitter.

Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
Me and @AbdulNishapuri had a debate the other day on racism by Iranians and same stuff appeared on LUBP authored by some XYZ. Guess why?

Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
@mSaleemJaved that contributed a lot in my understanding of brutalities inflicted on Hazara nation. @anne_baluch @kuchuluchii

Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
You may fool some liberals with fake accounts but not us.

Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
That particular blog is stereotyping Baloch cause and colouring the secular Baloch as members of sectarian groups.

Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
Just because I exposed the brutalities of Iranians on Baloch nation a particular blog is spewing venom against Baloch cause.

Abdul Nishapuri ‏@AbdulNishapuri
@MirSohaib According to you, @Suprah_ is my account. Say it loud!

Sohaib Mengal Baloch ‏@MirSohaib
@AbdulNishapuri Yes that is what I said. @suprah_

@Suprah_
@MirSohaib @AbdulNishapuri my name is ALI AHSAN.
@MirSohaib @AbdulNishapuri my name is ALI AHSAN. I am chief editor of a website called FootballPakistan.Com for many years. I have written for Dawn about football in Pakistan. you can read my actual articles here http://dawn.com/author/dawnaliahsan/ this piece for LUBP was my first ever post on Balochistan. I have also written a piece for Pak Tea House about Bhoja Air crash http://pakteahouse.net/2012/04/23/disaster-porn-and-pakistani-media/ aap Waja logg bhi naa….

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Hamza Baloch ‏@H_Balouch
@AbdulNishapuri Yar aisa tweet laibah ya tatom waly profiles sy kero iss sey nhi :p @Suprah_

Abdul Nishapuri ‏@AbdulNishapuri
@H_Balouch According to you I am @tatom2k and @laibaah1 Good. @Suprah_

Tatom ‏@tatom2k
#Idiotwatch hahahahahaha lol so this silly guy —-> @H_Balouch thinks that I am @Laibaah1 & @AbdulNishapuri good God @Suprah_

Abdul Nishapuri ‏@AbdulNishapuri
In one day, various accounts @tatom2k @Suprah_ @Laibaah1 and an Israeli activist have been attributed to me. I will leave it to them. 🙂

Tatom ‏@tatom2k
@AbdulNishapuri haha exactly I wonder what sense this @H_Balouch was using lol @Suprah_ @Laibaah1

Abdul Nishapuri ‏@AbdulNishapuri
@tatom2k @Suprah_ Dear friends: There are several idiots around today. Just watch out and have fun 🙂

Tatom ‏@tatom2k
@AbdulNishapuri @Suprah_ agreed 🙂

@Suprah_
@AbdulNishapuri I have known more Baloch footballers personally from Karachi than these exiled “sarmachar” have ever cared of 🙂

@Suprah_
@AbdulNishapuri I openly challenge them to call Baloch footballers from Lyari and Malir and ask “do you know about http://FootballPakistan.Com ?”

Tatom ‏@tatom2k
@H_Balouch Since IK z so much active 4 #DualNationalitiy please accept us as “dual personality” LOL 😀 @Laibaah1 @Suprah_ @AbdulNishapuri

Abdul Nishapuri ‏@AbdulNishapuri
@Suprah_ That’s beside the point. Instead of countering your post with arguments they resorted to ad hominem attacks. Shame! @tatom2k

@Suprah_
@AbdulNishapuri @tatom2k that’s exactly what I want! If they have a problem with what I said they should respond properly with facts as well

@Suprah_
@Niaz_betab you have the right to disagree with what I say but it has to be proper response rather than ad hominem attacks of 140 characters

23 Aug علی احسن ‏@Suprah_
@Niaz_betab instead I saw “what is your agenda?” “you are maligning our struggle” “you are abdul nishapuri” “you are ISI agent” #Pathetic

Very good comments by Anwar Changezi and other friends on Twitter:

I agree with @Suprah_ except on a cpl things. Plus we should avoid the narrative This narrative can harm both Shias and Balochs. The Balochs should nonetheless ensure their areas are clean of LeJ They should not support terrorists in the name of ethnicity. E.g. When Kashmirabad Imambargah attacker was killed It was an an ethnic issue, the Baloch owned the attacker

I am the first person to admit that Hazaras are infested with ISI agents. Hazaras have traditionally supported Army against Balochs. I admit.

Now can you also embrace the truths? Yes, most LeJ footsoldiers are Baloch. They are not Baloch nationalists, and are harming Baloch cause.

We condemn a few ISI-rats in Hazaras and some Balochs promote them. See the irony?

Baloch have never owned sectarian savages. That’s what LUBP’s stance too

But how many tribes have openly distanced themselves from LeJ?

And accept that LeJ with ISI help if gaining footholds in Baloch. DISOWN THEM.

Let me point out another irony. A LeJ-Baloch attacked a Shia Baloch (Allama Domki) And NO Baloch group spoke in favour of Allama Domki (a Shia). Why? Nahin Maan-na doesn’t mean BAYAT karna. Openly disown them. How many nawabs/sardars hv done?
How many nawabs/sardars have thrown LeJ militants out of their tribes? ACCEPT! Tomorrow if a Hazara Shia kills Baloch-LeJ members, you sure it wont turn ethnic?

We should accept the bitter truths. We are all imperfect members of a dirty system.
Whether Khaliq Hazara, Hussain Yasa, Hussain Yousafi, or Saleem Javed. They are all ISI rats.

And they are promoted by some so called Baloch activists right here in front of our eyes!
Principles have costs. One can’t be principled and privileged at the same time.

Yasa is Khaliq’s friend and dad. Based in Afghanistan. LUBP has a piece on him.

Nations’ enemy is not physical force. It’s their impatience, and being reactionary

I agree with most of what @Suprah_ has said. A couple of careless sentences at most. And a few areas where we ALL lack info.

I am so glad that LUBP published @Suprah_ post on Baloch-LeJ connection. It has started a much needed debate which was previously tabooed.

Zabardast, Ahsan Sahab.

to me Dr Allah Nazar is as despicable as Baitullah Mehsud

HOW MUCH SUPPORT FOR JUNDULLAH IS TOO MUCH?
Posted by Malik Siraj Akbar
on June 29, 2010

By Malik Siraj Akbar

Balochs living in Pakistan’s provinces of Balochistan and Sindh reacted very irritably towards the decision of the Iranian government to hang Abdul Malik Regi, the chief of banned organization Jundullah, by terming it as an act of repression by a regime that is bent upon crushing its Baloch population.
All available forms of condemnation, such as issuance of newspaper statements, arrangement of press conferences, protest rallies and condolence references, were used to censure the hanging of a leader who fought for the rights of the Sunni Baloch minority population residing in Iranian Balochistan. The outpouring of condemnation was so overwhelming that even an impressed Jundullah spokesman went on to appreciate the Balochs living in Pakistan for their moral and political support offered to the Iranian Balochs at the critical juncture.
In Eastern Balochistan, the Baloch National Front (BNF) was on the forefront of all protest rallies held in the province to condemn the execution of 28-year Regi who was wanted by Teheran in more than seventy cases. The Front observed three days of mourning and organized a number of programs to vent its frustration of Iran’s behavior towards its Baloch population. Nonetheless, many people, including some components of the BNF, now realize that they went overboard in agitating on the Regi issue which could, at the end of the day, prove counterproductive and detrimental for the secular Baloch nationalist movement.
A timely expression of this concern has been made by the Baloch National Movement (BNM) which has categorically refused to join the BNF in its announced schedule of anti-Iran protests to express solidarity with Jundullah and the Balochs of Iran. Condoling the murder of Regi and his brother, Abdu Hameed, the BNM central spokesman, however, said here on Monday that his party did not see eye-to-eye with the Jundullah manifesto which underlines religious and sectarian ambitions.
The BNM believes that the Baloch issue has nothing to do with religion nor can it go an extra mile to join hands with ethnic Balochs living in Iran who do not recognize Baloch nationalism and solely talk of religious rights. BNM is equally disillusioned with BNF leadership for not taking it into confidence while unfolding its schedule of protests in support of Jundullah and said that it could not support a Sunni movement which did not keep in consideration the Baloch identity.
This is a very crucial development. The BNM stance will surely alert the Balochs struggling in Iran on religious lines that their counterparts in Pakistani Balochistan do not concur with their ideology. The Baloch resistance movement in Pakistan, which is largely leftist, is not compatible with what Jundullah stands for i.e. Sunni rights. BNM has clarified its stance on the right time as the BNF response to Regi’s killing had already begun to raise many eyebrows about the ideological foundations of the Baloch resistance movement.
By supporting Jundullah, the BNF, which always requests the international community to take notice of the plight of the Balochs, is further confusing the world. Does it mean that the Baloch nationalism has succumbed to religion and begun to endorse suicide bombings on the name of religion as was done by Jundullah inside Iran? If the answer to such a question is in affirmation then BNF will surely find itself in an indefensible position before the larger world which is currently battling the scourge of religious fundamentalism.
On their part, the supporters of Jundullah do not easily digest the nationalists’ claim that Regi was a secular. For example, Hafiz Abu Ubaid, the acting vice president of Karachi-based Ittehad-e-Tuleba-wa-Sunna, has strongly condemned Abdul Wahab Baloch, chairman of Baloch Rights Council, for calling Regi a secular. The righwing has termed Wahab’s remarks and proposal that Jundullah should operate on nationalistic lines as highly offensive. They have sought an apology from Wahab Baloch for allegedly insulting Regi by calling him secular. This is another point of view which exists and has to be acknowledged, if not agreed with.
Baloch nationalism and Islamic nationalism cannot comfortably go side by side. If the mere fact that Regi was a Baloch attracted BNF reaction then one wonders if similar reaction would be shown on the death of a Baloch who is a part of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI), Pakistan People’s Party and Muslim League? BNF should not judge people merely on their Baloch ethnicity. It should support the people who share the same ideology that the BNF stands for.

BNM has adopted a timely stance and rightly warned BNF not to compromise on Baloch nationalist ideology by backing religious fundamentalism. By supporting religious fundamentalists, Baloch nationalists would be compromising on their ideological foundations and make it more difficult for the international community to support the Baloch movement.

http://gmcmissing.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/how-much-support-for-jundullah-is-too-much/

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Regi is another name for bin Laden, Jondullah is for al Qaeda

Feb 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM PST
BY ahmarmustikhan

Abdolmalek Regi is yet another name for Osama bin Laden.
It does not matter if one was Baloch and the other is an Arab. They both represent the violent face of wahabi sunni Islam. The Baloch must be extremely careful and do not look upon Jondullah as a lesser evil simply because it is comprised of Balochi-speaking sunni wahabis, warns intellectual and poet Dr. Malek Towghi of East Lansing, Michigan.
The Baloch cannot afford to see sunni wahabi’ism flourish, even if a foreign power might open bag loads of money in front of their faces. This is what is said to have happened in the case of Jondullah.
The struggle for Baloch people has always been secular. One of the most famous Baloch leaders, former governor and statesman Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, 79, very aptly said what can the Baloch do with women and wine in heaven when neither has a “hole.”
The Baloch political fabric is based on religious tolerance. At least one in every five Baloch is zikri who does not go to perform the annual pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia, a global center of Muslim brainwashing.
If Taliban and al Qaeda get military logistic supplies from the Inter-Services Intelligence, the monies came from the Saudis not the Punjabi Muslim general s who to this day dream of returning to power in New Delhi. These generals are of the considered opinion that the Hindus are cowards.
In the case of Jondullah too, the monies came from Saudi Arabia, the world’s most decadent kingdom, according to highly placed U.S. sources.
The Jondullah is responsible for committing crimes against humanity. The U.S. Department of State has very correctly identified it as a terrorist outfit. But the U.S. known for its love for “quickies” even in international politics did so rather belatedly.
The sight of a young Baloch like Regi in the captivity of the Iranian pasdarans was an ugly, painful sight. It made them feel uneasy but then the video of Regi raising Allah O Akbar slogans and slaughtering his own brother-in-law in front of a camera flashed in their mind.
Regi got what you deserved just like bin Laden. There is little tolerance for ideas that can have lasting impact on the secular politics in Baloch society.
Dr. Malek Towghi, who has been involved in Baloch international activism, recalls an incident when the Jondullah was in its formative phase.
He said two Baloch from western Balochistan, Dr. M. Hosseinbor and Hakim Saeed of the Pen Foundation, wanted him to go for a protest in New York against Mahmoud Ahmedinijad.
“I said yes I will come there, but in my one hand I will carry a placard that says ‘Down with Iran’ and in the second hand another placard that says ‘Down with Pakistan’.”
But he said they told him, “If you mention Pakistan, they will not give us money.”
Towghi who is a simple American Baloch deplores the mixing of business and politics.
“Our Western (iran) Baloch are addicted to money,” says Towghi.
London-based Tariq Baloch, who recently defected from the camp of Baloch tribal leader Khan of Kalat Mir Suleman Daud Ahmadzai concurs with this view. “Even in Lyari the drug culture was introduced by the Baloch from Iran,” he said in an email.
In contrast in Eastern (Pakistan-occupied) Balochistan, there is stress on ideology and politics rather than money.
When Abdolamalek Regi was killed some Baloch groups organized protests. But the large and mainstream political parties , including the Baloch National Movement, were unwilling to join in protest against the terrorist’s death. “The BNM believes that the Baloch issue has nothing to do with religion nor can it go an extra mile to join hands with ethnic Balochs living in Iran who do not recognize Baloch nationalism and solely talk of religious rights,” Malik Siraj Akbar wrote in an editorial in The Baloch Hal.
The U.S. official policy towards Iran has not been confrontrational, notwithstanding the rhetoric.
“American official agencies like the C.I.A. and Pentagon are behaving responsibly when it comes to Balochistan,” says Dr. Towghi.
A strange aspect of Hosseinbor’s presentation to the Oversight and Investigations sub-committee was almost half of his paper was devoted to Iranian Balochistan, with a stress on Shia and Sunni differences.
“But there are shias among the Baloch as well,” says Towghi. In addition one in every five Baloch belongs to the zikri sect that does not follow wahabi Islam and in stead offer their annual pilgrimmage or hajj in Mekran.
In an article in Foreign Policy journalist Mark Perry said Israel’s Mossad duped Baloch exiles in London that they are agents of the C.I.A. as they wroked with Jondullah to carry out attacks against Iran.
Towghi believes that in spite of his sympathy for Israel, the Baloch should never became pawns or mercenaries for foreign interests. “This will be a disaster. The Baloch will be crushed,” he warns.
Towghi is all praise for the correct stand of Baloch freedom leader Brahumdagh Bugti “who has been trained well by Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti. ”
Brahumdagh Bugti is grandson of Balochistan governor and chief minister, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, 79, who was killed August 26, 2006 on the orders of Pakistan military, Bugti’s killing destroyied any hopes, of there were any in the first place, for Balochistan’s existence in a federal Pakistan.
The young Brahumdagh Bugti, 31, came out against any fight against Iran at the same time the Baloch in Eastern Balochistan are engaged in a David-and-Goliath struggle against Pakistan rmy, the fourth largest in the world. Bugti insists the Baloch should first get freedom from Pakistan rather than open two fronts.
“The National Party is very clear on these issues,” Towghi said about a middle class party that has more than 70,000 members.
Bugti’s brother-in-law Mehran Baluch, who is Balochistan’s unofficial representative at the U.N. Human Rights Council and youngest and most loved son of veteran Baloch leader Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri, 92, concurs with this view.
“I don’t want the Baloch to suffer,” Towghi said. “They simply want to use us as fodder,” Towghi who converted to Christianity and likes to uphold the truth said.
He said he can take a vow in any court of law that Hosseinbor is one of the main facilitators of Jondullah. “In fact I would love to do it,” he said. “Seymour Hersh could be another witness.”

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11598614/content/90356867-abdolmalek-regi?window_location=480

Shia Kafir Hain, BLA Raw Agent Hain

In the end I would just like to say

I fully understand and sympathise with the struggle of Baloch rights and progress. Their demands are legitimate and it is criminal to ignore or stifle them.

The State must accept responsibility in its failure to overcome this widening trust deficit among the common Baloch and rest of Pakistan and should take practical necessary steps rather than keep repeating the appeasement-coercion cycles of past that have failed and made more Baloch angry with rest of Pakistan.

The target killings of activists, Shia genocide, illegal detentions, lack of law and order, and zero performance by local judicial system, coupled with opportunistic tendencies of the local elite to play both sides for their personal gains has made the situation horrible.

But at the same time, what I cannot and will not support is the brutal mindless violence done in the name of Baloch. The killings of settlers, assassinations of opponents/critics, murder of teachers, and other human rights abuses by the ‘Sarmachar’ has become a cancerous tumour on the Baloch cause. It must be removed otherwise the Baloch cause can disastrously implode on itself.

To me the conduct of BLA, BRA, BLF, Jundullah etc are no different than the Taliban and urge the young minds to avoid making brutal killers as your heroes. Sure I can understand armed confrontation with the State, but I cannot understand attacks on unarmed men women and children on ethnic and political grounds.

The radicalised Baloch running LeJ operations in Balochistan should NOT be ignored or set aside. The nationalist groups, and local personalities must strive to counter this trend, thoroughly investigate this worrying aspect, and be open about the usage of indiscriminate violence.

You cannot avoid talking about the elephant in your own room any longer. As they say most mistakes are self-made, so a bit of mea culpa and remedial measures are needed by all sides.

Otherwise you can kiss this cause goodbye as another fleeting dream.