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Hassan Mujtaba
26 Apr 2014
In the first instance, should we not be asking why the attack on Hamid Mir is more condemnable than the many more attacks and everyday injustices faced by ordinary people who do not enjoy celebrity status here?
http://www.dawn.com/news/1102197/politics-as-parody
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Shahram Azhar and 6 others like this.

Hassan Mujtaba Shahram Azhar sir jee your comments??
20 hours ago · Like

Shahram Azhar Well, every attack on every innocent is condemnable. As a rule, we are opposed to violence (except in self defense).

However, We got to know about this particular incident because of two reasons:

1) HM is a lot more influential in terms of the fact that he is an opinion maker. He had started receiving threats after his program on Mama Qadeer: it’s a must watch if you haven’t seen it already.

2) Hm is backed by a major media group.

The point that most people (including some leftists) don’t understand is that freedom of speech, a relatively independent judiciary and a representative parliament are beneficial for people who want to do workers and peasants organizational struggle in Pakistan. Why? Because we know that we can engage in legal forms of struggle. Without these rights even our basic organizational rights are taken away.
15 hours ago · Like · 1

Fatimah Ihsan Shahram: comrade don’t forget where Hamid mir is coming from, let’s not forget his past and his ties with the establishment – i see the current scenario as nothing more than a disullisioned/disenchanted ’employee’ complaining against his bosses…having said this I think we can use this opportunity to say what we feel about the intelligence agencies and the fauj.. but in our way and style, let’s not make those heroes who are not. Also, his recent ‘support’ for mama qadeer has to be taken with a grain of salt. I was part of the march etc and though hamid mir has been vocal about the Baloch issue, it is his way of getting back to the establishment and he has done nothing but used this narrative to his own benefit. I, for one, am not going to fall for this at all, except how we can use this opportunity to expose the establishment. No need to make heroes out of those who have had a past that they must be accountable for!
14 hours ago · Like · 3

Fatimah Ihsan Just wanted to add: this is NOT about hamid mir, it is about the thousands of people martyred due to the ISI and the army, the FC and so on.. let’s keep our priorities and vision clear
14 hours ago · Like · 4

Fahad Rizwan fatima : But you see comrade , Hamid mir issue has provided us a medium via which we could broadcast our criticism of military establishment
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Fatimah Ihsan Yes that is what i mean about having that space that has been provided to us through a side effect of something, use the issue, expose what needs to be exposed but please let us not make him a hero!!
14 hours ago · Like · 2

Fatimah Ihsan And we who belong to the Left have to be a step ahead of everyone else!
14 hours ago · Like

Fahad Rizwan comrade hamari traf sy tu beshak mar jata ,balky agr mar jata tu zayada acha hota ISI defensive mei aa jaati … He is not a hero , not at all . he is a right wing journalist who always promoted prejudices and hatred
14 hours ago · Like · 3

Fatimah Ihsan Yes Fahad precisely, so let us not make him a hero but focus on the real issue…
14 hours ago · Like · 1

Fahad Rizwan one could listen this tape , listen how pathetic hamid mir is towards minorities .
http://playit.pk/watch?v=dUalitCN9Rs

Hamid Mir Call Recorded – Exposed Part 1
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14 hours ago · Like · 1

Shahram Azhar Fatimah Ihsan, I don’t think in terms of heroes/villains. At least not any more. As far as I am concerned this is a power struggle and in that power struggle the Army and the ISI are the criminals and Hamid Mir is the victim. I don’t think that the ISI attacked Hamid Mir because of his “right-wing” political orientation but rather because of his upright stand on Balochistan. History, and concrete circumstances propel ordinary (and even right-wing people) into situations where they take anti status-quo positions. So it is history and not the whims of a left-leaning Pakistani (like me) that makes “heroes”. There is something fundamentally wrong with the logic of our political economy and that is the fact that the army and the ISI dominate it from above. We live in a praetorian state that we have inherited from colonialism.

It is this precise material circumstance that pushes the army to end up attacking even its former allies. A very good example is the PMLN which, at least historically, had very cozy relations with the Army. The narrow economic and political interests of the army propelled these two political groups (PMLN vs Army) into an antagonistic course.

Anyways, returning to Hamid Mir: individuals matter only in so far as they personify social relations. Which group in society does HM represent? The group (a bourgeois group admittedly) that sells ‘information and news’, a.k.a “media”. The point is that I think that despite all of its negativity (I have referred to the Pakistani media as having 66 Fox News on previous occasions) the net result of the “free bourgeois media” in Pakistan has been a rise in the political consciousness of our people.
It is this rise in the political consciousness which I absolutely admire and want to hold on to. But obviously, the army (which rules through secrecy and violence) does not want “information” to be publicized.

The question then is: Where do we stand with respect to this struggle (The struggle over information)?

I stand with Hamid Mir (who is in the present political situation a personification of the right to public information)
13 hours ago · Like · 1

Fatimah Ihsan I stand with my own intuition and with the understanding that side-effects are not the real panacea for anything
13 hours ago · Like

Shahram Azhar Comrade if our support for groups/individuals is only contingent upon complete agreement with their views then we can only participate in “communist” circles. Don’t you think that we will have to broaden our spectrum if we must break into mainstream mass political circles?
13 hours ago · Edited · Like

Shahram Azhar Fahad Rizwan the recording that you have posted above means absolutely nothing. why?

A journalist has to throw a lot of red herrings to get information on the subject that he wants information about. An investigative journalist is someone who has practiced that art for many many years and learns to “play the insider” with the subject. He has to “go native” and make him feel that he is one of their own.

This is what hamid mir is doing in that call that has been recorded by the ISI.
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Fatimah Ihsan I am not religious, Shahraam, but have to say: Jesus!!!!
12 hours ago · Like

Hassan Turi Sharam sir, two weeks ago you did a debate with Taimur that we should not support any party ? So, for me Hamid Mir, corporate media is in itself a party, so i cant support hamid mir but as Fahad said, we could talk benifit of the event to criticize army.
12 hours ago · Like · 1

Fahad Rizwan We as a political workers must be smart enough to use the differences of ruling elite in favour of working class . Today ,in our country primary contradiction is between civilian and military establishment . We must exploit their differences in a way in which we do not lose our own Marxist identity and position .
12 hours ago · Like · 2

Fatimah Ihsan fahad: Touche’ that is what i mean!
12 hours ago · Like · 1

Shahram Azhar Hassan, Jang Group is not a political party. PPP is.

Fatima: Comrade Jesus to hamaray hain
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Fahad Rizwan @shahram is speaking of stealth strategy of hamid mir . It is like i sneak in within the ranks of sipah e sahahba and ask question in this manner ‘ji maulana shia bht hi ganada kafir hy mei tu jab kisi shia ki shakal dekh lo tu gher ja kr nahaya krta hon itni nafrat hy mjhy in sy ‘
maulana : mashallah , apka emaan bht mazboot hy
fahad : acha maulana phir bataeye , agla khudkush kaha ho ga ?

and then i get all the secrets ….
12 hours ago · Like · 1

Fatimah Ihsan Shahraam: yes, Jesus is our comrade for sure what hassan meant was a diatribe against the jang group not a literal message
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Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji In the power struggle btw pro Taliban Hamid Mir (Taliban are still being backed by ISI) I am so happy that COMRADE Hamid Mir is being backed by many LEFT and LIBERAL. reminds me how same people made a Hero out of Abu Arsalan in 2007 and we all know how that turned out. When Hazrat Imran Khan, Hamid Mir, Ansar Abbasi, Abu Arsalan start showing new found concern for the Baloch cause, we Ghairatmands know how easy it is to appropriate a cause to not only fool Surkha Liberals but to use same cause for our true motives. for his decade long “concern” for the “Missing Persons Case, Abu Arsalan only did teeny token bit for the few Al Qaeeda suspects like Janjua of army but nothing substantial for the 8000 plus Baloch. Hamid Mir and other Bunjabi Ghairatmands are only using Baolch cause to Re-Brand the Taliban as a “Nationalist Movement” whose “Human rights” are violated whenever State does even token retaliation against its ISI backed Strategic Assets Fatimah Ihsan
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Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji Fatimah Ihsan I see ur comments and you are doing disservice to the Jamaati cause by adding Nuance and complexity to this debate, hai. Why r u not impressed by Hamid Mir’s shallowness?
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Shahram Azhar Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji I think in your mind everything needs to be categorized in one of two boxes, one labelled pro-Taliban the other labelled “Anti-Taliban”. There are no pro-democracy, pro-dictatorship, pro-nationalist minorities or pro-freedom of conscience boxes. I wish there were and maybe we could gather some of the political economic information out there into THOSE boxes.

This is not about the “individual” called Hamid Mir. It is about a very particular, human right: That is, the right to public information. No one agrees with anyone in totality; if that becomes the basis of allowing freedom of speech to people then NO one will have freedom of speech.
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Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji Whenever I see Hamid Mir’s gushing treatment of ASWJ-LeJ chief, Maulana Ludhianvi, I tick off the pro-freedom of conscience box. when I see Hamid Mir appropriating Baloch cause for his talks with the Taliban stance, I tick off the pro-nationalist box. when I hear Hamid Mir on Ahmadis and Shias, I tick off the minorities box. and when I see Hamid Mir’s “anti establishment” stance on Memogate, Raymond Davis, Kerry Lugar Bill, Memogate, bashing Gillani on attempting to take ISI under civilian control etc etc etc I see his “commitment” to pro-democracy box and tick that off to, Jazakallah. And when I see his passionate crusade to defend Dr. Arsalan Ibne Hazrat Ifikhar Chaudhary, I can finally understand why this Marxist Millionaire Maverick Hamid Mir ticks off all the boxes. One Taliban wing is attacking Hamid Mir and another Taliban wing is bashing its ISI Protectors. Some may call this a farce but Hajjaji is loving it!
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Syed Riaz Al-Malik Hajjaji ASWJ did a PRO ISI anti GEO event – I wonder if that will make Hamid Mir change his pro ASWJ stance https://lubp.net/archives/298279