“LUBP is only there to divide the people who’re antiestablishment”, claims Marvi Sirmed

As if Tahir Ashrafi Deobandi’s harassment campaign and legal action against LUBP was not enough, pseudo-liberals too have straightened their guns at LUBP. The timing of the joint onslaught appears to be well coordinated.

Marvi Sirmed, an NGO-style rights activist and blogger based in Islamabad, has claimed that the sole aim of the LUBP blog is to divide the people who are anti-establishment. (In other words, LUBP is an ISI-mole.)

This is what Marvi wrote on Twitter:

“No question of dosti with these people. They are only there to divide the people who’re antiestablishment.”

Ironically, Marvi is known for her close links with and flattery of influential pro-establishment people, e.g., Najam Sethi, Ejaz Haider, Hamid Mir, and most of all Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif (PML-N).

Here is evidence that Marvi Sirmed stands united with pro-Taliban cleric Tahir Ashrafi Deobandi in his Jihad against LUBP blog. https://lubpak.com/archives/239755

On the same day, Marvi posted a number of comments in a mild flattery of certain known pro-establishment “liberals” namely Ejaz Haider (ISI’s unofficial mouthpiece), Najam Sethi (the double dealer who undermined Benazir Bhutto’s democratic government on the behest of the ISI), Hamid Mir (the Taliban apologist) and Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif (of PMLN, key sponsor of Sipah Sahaba).

Refer to this article by a Shia Hazara of Quetta in which he criticizes promotion of Hamid Mir by Pakistan’s pseudo-liberals including Marvi Sirmed: https://lubpak.com/archives/77301

In the name of “unity of liberals”, some people including Marvi Sirmed (and other members of the urban-elite Sethi-Sherry-Network) want LUBP to stop criticizing Ejaz Haider, Najam Sethi, Hamid Mir, Tahir Ashrafi and other double-dealers. If these thugs are liberals, we are not!

This article examines if LUBP is a hurdle in the way of unity of liberals. https://lubpak.com/archives/61839

Here’s a critical article on Marvi Sirmed’s plea of innocence https://lubpak.com/archives/79136

We reject urban pseudo-liberal-NGO-tribal attempts in the guise of unity of liberals with an aim to stifle critical voices.

We also take this opportunity to clarify that LUBP is owned by only those who regularly edit it and write for it. Paid propagandists and employees of any political party or NGOs do not have any role in shaping our discourse and policies.

Update: As expected, Marvi Sirmed has resorted to naked abuses against LUBP (calling LUBP team as SoBs, bastards, buggers, liars, rats and dishonest) instead of decent, reasoned arguments in the aftermath of the present post.

We respectfully protest and hope that champions of free speech and liberal values in Pakistan’s mainstream and social media and rights groups will take notice of such harassment. LUBP is already facing a harassment campaign (Ban LUBP campaign) by a pro-Taliban cleric Tahir Ashrafi Deobandi, the same thug who is promoted by some of Marvi Sirmed’s friends in the Lashkar-e-Sethi as a progressive cleric. https://lubpak.com/archives/239049 https://lubpak.com/archives/237523

Here’s the transcript:

Marvi Sirmed ‏@marvisirmed Jan 13

l were you just talking about the truce with lubp buggers? And RTed someone saying he respects me? What liars. See their post

what is for-profit-activism by the way? Anything specific that you canvrefer to when ive made “profit” because if activusm?

if you cant, then shut up and go to hell.

ab in haramzaadon ko bolo ke mujh se ya meray baaray mein baat kerni hay tau bill mein se baahir aa ker karein.

kuttay ki dumm kabhi seedhi nahin hoti. Keep it in mind.

choohay ki tarah bill mein ghuss ker baat ki tau kia hoa? Daamnay asyen ye SoBs of nishapyr or sindhyar or whayever. Buggers. no, you did it in good faith. But since they are on asdignment, its imposdible to expect snything honest from them

In summary, Marvi Sirmed’s language: LUBP team comprises “SoBs, bastards, buggers, liars, rats”. Respectfully we protest.

Previously such abusive language against LUBP was used by Marvi Sirmed’s progressive cleric of choice Tahir Ashrafi Deobandi of ASWJ-LeJ: https://lubpak.com/archives/237523

We reject LUBP’s joint harassment by the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (Tahir Ashrafi etc) and the Lashkar-e-Sethi (Marvi Sirmed etc).

Tahir Ashrafi wants to get LUBP banned in Pakistan. Both Ashrafi and Marvi Sirmed use naked abuses against LUBP. And many media persons, bloggers, rights activists remain silent or neutral. It is a pity that some people can’t differentiate between naked abuses (by Tahir Ashrafi and Marvi Sirmed) and critical opinions (by LUBP).

“The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.” Martin Luther King Jr.


57 responses to ““LUBP is only there to divide the people who’re antiestablishment”, claims Marvi Sirmed”

  1. Let’s defend Ejaz Haider, the defender of Pakistan army – by Marvi Sirmed


    Omar Waraich presents three anti-ISI heroes of Pakistani media: Ejaz Haider, Hamid Mir, Najam Sethi


    The three (anti-ISI) musketeers and their D’Artagnan – by Mahvish Afridi


  2. Jehangir Hafsi and Tahir Jadoon,

    Thanks for providing the links. Whereas the three performing monkeys in question are almost certainly establishment stool pigeons, Ms Sirmed appears to be more of a hippy-dippy socially liberal groupie, with thoroughly misplaced loyalties. It would interest one to know if she is something worse than a useful idiot in this web of chicanery.

    The whole raison d’etre of LUBP in my opinion rests with two guiding principles:

    That all opinions, including those thoroughly repugnant to our sensibilities must be heard out. The only fair way to defeat and discredit our opponents’ ideas is through open debate.

    That this portal is truly Awaami, a res publica where the
    opinions of those outside of the official chattering classes’ magic circle demonstrably matter.

    What the liberal Priesthood refuses to countenance is the fact that any inward looking grouping constitutes an intellectual ghetto, and spawns an inbred world -view. The `Closed Islamist Mind’ is a case in point.There is more than biology behind the Incest Taboo.

    We need to keep up this Jeremiad, because the well-heeled Liberal is the Goliath of our times.If that sounds extreme, read up on the people who constitute Team Obama.

    Blessings etc.

  3. I mean she has. NFP is also blocked by Hassan Nisar and Fatimah Bhutto. So, seriously, who is dividing who? 😀

  4. Thank God for LUBP that successfully continues to provide an alternative discourse to the biased, paid-for narratives of Pakistan’s military establishment!

    This woman Marvi is such a bloody hypocrit herself! She used the Baloch cause to burnish her credentials in that talk show with (her probable friend for all we know!) Zaid Hamid yet pals around on social media with Ejaz Haider, a man who supports the human rights violations being committed in Balochistan. She joins the notorious Jinnah Institute that issues reports in support of the Taliban and has the shameless temerity to call herself a liberal?!

    We damn care for these ‘liberals’! Marvi and her kind can go to hell!

  5. Imran Khan is neither a leader nor anti establishment. He is a business man of average IQ and below average courage who needs to be in power to protect and expand his empire erected with corruption. He will invest money on for sale analysts and media outlets and each and every one in a position to help his goals.

  6. Well done LUBP for exposing these for-sale liberals.

    One thing I am sure of, if an LUBP editor had used such vile language against Marvi Sirmed, all of those liberal thugs who are currently silent would have made a lot hue and cry.

    Keep exposing them and keep your cool, folks. You know the art of playing with thugs.

    Be safe.

  7. I condemn this abusive article against Marvi Sirmed and Najam Sethi.

    LUBP is an establishment’s blog, it’s obvious. It’s sole agenda is to attack liberals including liberal Ulama.

  8. How can someone who flatters Shahbaz Sharif, Najam Sethi and Ejaz Haider like LUBP.

    Be realistic, smell coffee.

  9. Leave the auntie alone, children.

    Let her have moj, masti, and some money.

    Rang main bhang na daalo, bacho

  10. پاکستانی لبرلز اور ان کے چوہتر فرقے
    فارغ جذباتی

    مسلمانوں اور خاص طور پر پاکستانی مسلمانوں کے حوالے سے اکثر یہ بات کی جاتی ہے کہ آپ لوگ تو کتنے فرقوں میں بٹے ہوۓ ہیں اور ہر فرقہ دوسرے کو اسلام سے خارج سمجھتا ہے اور صرف اپنے آپ کو صحیح مسلمان سمجھتا ہے اور دوسروں کو کافر یعنی غیر مسلم کے فتوے بانٹا ہے

    جب بھی پاکستان میں نفاز اسلام کی بات ہوتی ہے یا مسلمان امہ کو کوئی بھی مسئلہ درپیش ہو تو پاکستانی سیکولر لبرلز کی طرف سے ہمیشہ یہی پھبتی کسی جاتی ہے کہ کونسے اسلام کی بات کرتے ہیں ، کس کا اسلام اور کون فیصلہ کرے گا کہہ کس کی اسلام کی تعبیر و تشریح اصلی اور صحیح مانی جائے

    اس کے علاوہ یہ بات بھی اکثر دہرائی جاتی ہے کہ مسلمانوں میں تو تہتر فرقے ہونگے اور صرف ایک ہی فرقہ صحیح ہو گا اور ہر فرقہ یہی دعویٰ کرتا ہے کہ وہی صحیح اور درست راستے پر ہے

    خیر یہ تو وہ بحث ہے جس سے ہر کوئی واقف ہے اور اب اس کوئی اتنی اہمیت بھی نہیں ملتی

    لیکن میں جو آج آپ کو ایک بہت ہی اہم اور دلچسپ بات بتانے جا رہا ہوں وہ یہ ہے کہ پاکستانی بنی سیکولرین اور لبرلز میں بھی فرقے پائے جاتے ہیں اور وہ بھی ایک دوسرے کو اصلی اور پورا لبرل نا ہونے کا فتویٰ دیکر بنی لبرلز و سیکولر ین سے نکال دیتے ہیں ، ان میں بھی اس بات پر دھواں دھار فکری و نظریاتی و اصول الفقہ سیکولر لیہ کے حوالے سے سر پھٹول اور مناظرے ہوتے ہیں کہہ تم کتنے لبرل ہو یا تم کافی سارے لبرل ہو ہی نہیں یا تم میرے جتنے لبرل نہیں ہو ، یا تم لبرل کے بھیس میں حکومتی ایجنٹ ہو ، یا تم لبرلز کو تقسیم کر رہے ہو اور تمہارا لبرل ازم صحیح نہیں ہے یا ہمارے لبرل ازم سے نہیں ملتا ، یا طرفین کے لبرل ہو یا وسطین کے لبرل

    اس کے علاوہ یہ مناظرے اور مناقشے اور مباہلے بھی ہوتے ہیں کہ آیا تم کتابی لبرل ہو یا عملی لبرل ، آیا تم انٹرنیٹ کے لبرل ہو یا گلی محلوں اور تھڑے والے لبرل ، آیا تم فیس بک کے لبرل ہو یا ٹویٹر کے لبرل ، آیا تم اصلی نام والے لبرل ہو یا جعلی نام والے لبرل آیا تم ایک ہی انٹرنیتی شناخت والے لبرل ہو یا کثیرالشناختی لبرل ، آیا تم ٹرک والے لبرل ہو یا بغیر ٹرک والے لبرل ، آیا تم یک شہریتی لبرل ہو یا دوہری شہریت والے لبرل ، آیا تم جمہوری لبرل ہو یا غیر جمہوری لبرل ، آیا تم صوفی لبرل ہو یا غیر صوفی لبرل ،آیا تم کوڑھی لبرل ہو یا پسوڑی لبرل ، آیا تم طالبانی لبرل ہو غیر طالبانی لبرل ، آیا تم خود کش لبرل ہو یا غیر خود کش لبرل ، آیا تم ویزے والے لبرل ہو یا بغیر ویزے والے لبرل ، آیا تم فوجی لبرل ہو یا عدالتی لبرل ،آیا تم آئی ایس آئی کے لبرل ہو یا سی آئی اے کے لبرل آیا تم امریکی لبرل ہو یا غیر امریکی لبرل ، آیا تم چڑیا والے لبرل ہو یا بغیر چڑیا کے لبرل ، آیا تم ملک ریاض والے لبرل ہو یا چوہدھری افتخار والے لبرل ، آیا تم شہری لبرل ہو یا پینڈو لبرل ، آیا تم ساوی والے لبرل ہو یا چسکی والے لبرل ، آیا تم لفافے والے لبرل ہو یا پلاٹ والے لبرل ، آیا تم مفاہمت والے لبرل ہو یا مٹی پاؤ والے لبرل ، آیا تم کینٹینر والے لبرل ہو یا بغیر کینٹینر والے لبرل ، آیا تم لانگ مارچ لبرل ہو یا دھرنے والے لبرل ، آیا تم انقلابی لبرل ہو یا جمودی لبرل ، آیا تم بند بوری والے لبرل ہو یا بھتہ والے لبرل وغیرہ وغیرہ وغیرہ الغرض کہ لبرلز میں بھی چوہتر یا اس سے بھی زائد فرقے پائے جاتے ہیں

    اب آپ شائد یہ سمجھ رہے ہونگے کہہ میں یہ سب مذاق میں لکھ یا کہہ رہا ہوں ، ہرگز نہیں ، اگر کبھی آپ کو پاکستانی کھڑپینچ لبرلز مثلاّ نجم سیٹھی ، اعجاز حیدر ، ماروی سرمد ، عبدل نیشاپوری ، سندھ یار تالپور ،طاہر اشرفی اور ندیم پراچہ کی ٹویٹر پر اٹ کھڑکے اور جوتم پیزار کو دیکھیں تو سب سمجھ آ جائے گا

    کیا تم لبرل ہو والی مسکراہٹ کے ساتھ

    ف ج

  11. Ashrafis are using smoke bombs ( establishment – anti-establishment) to confuse LUPB fans.

  12. اسلام آباد میں سب صحافی جانتے ہیں کہ اعجاز حیدر، حامد میر اور ماروی سرمد ایجنسیوں کے خاص لوگ ہیں

    لشکر سیٹھی کے لوگوں کا لشکر شیری سے خاص تعلق ہے یہ دونوں مولوی طاہر اشرفی دیوبندی اور ماروی سرمد جناح انسٹیٹیوٹ کے سیمیناروں میں خصوصی مقرر ہوتے ہیں وہیں پر یہ سارا منصوبہ تیار ہوا

    ایل یو بی پی نے ان لوگوں کی نیندیں حرام کر دی ہیں

  13. it’s sad to see Marvi playing a key role in Tahir Ashrafi’s attempt to ban lubp. just like Tahir Ashrafi has been exposed and is known to all for his overt support of Lashkar e jhangvi, marvi sirmed also stands exposed for being with him in this campaign. it means the minorities are facing double-jeopardy as both murderers and life-style liberals are together in this war

  14. Thank God for LUBP and its dedication to freedom of thought and expression and liberty of voice for the benefit of Pakistanis! You need more freedom of speech, not less! To try to ban LUBP is to silence honest dialogue;

    Martin Luther King said we need to walk together: MLK: “The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the …community must not lead us to a distrust …for many of our … brothers, …have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.”

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