Pakistan army re-exports Shia genocide to Afghanistan – by Rusty Walker
It is Ashura Day, remembering last year, today my heart is suspended, I am breathless, and with the Shiites today, as I pray that they and their children are safe from heartless terrorists. There will be Shia processions today marking Ashura, the 10th day of Moharram.
Ashura processions have been an opportunity for genocidal-type purging of Shias largely ignored by the mainstream press, or mischaracterized as typical Sunni/Shia disagreements, or, ethnic issues, neither of which are accurate in Balochistan and elsewhere. December 2010, during a Moharram procession in the city of Peshawar a grenade attack on Shias killed two including one being a child, leaving twenty-eight wounded. In December 2009, at a Moharram procession in Karachi a suicide bomber murdered thirty Shias. On February 5, 2010, a double-bombing occurred during a Shia procession killing twenty-five and wounding over fifty. Here we are in 2011, with no protection from the establishment. Three Shias were killed in Karachi by LeJ terrorists a few days before Muharram whereas the Ashura parades in Kohat, Hangu and Jhang too were attacked injuring many innocent Shias.
So, on ASHURA DAY- here is my portent of things to come. The systematic killing of Shiites continues, unabated by police, security apparatus of Pakistan, Rangers, and supported by the ISI. Despite what the Saudi-ISI network would like us to believer, this is not simply ethnic or religious strife between Sunnis and Shiites. There are many examples of Sunnis and Shiites conducting business commerce and family marriages and relationships to dispel the myth perpetuated by the right wing press. There should not be a surprise as this article expresses- “Blasts across Afghanistan target Shi’ites, 59 dead:”
The genocide of both Hazaras and non-Hazara Shiites by Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LEJ also known as Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) or Ahl-e-Sunnat-Wal-Jamat (ASWJ)) is being supported by Pakistan’s military establishment in an escalation of unprovoked murders through the years in Pakistan and Afghanistan- these are the new “killing fields.” Of courser, LeJ-SSP operatives are abhorred by majority of moderate Sunnis, LeJ-SSP operatives do not represent Sunnis, in fact they represent their financiers (Saudi Salafis) and handlers (Pakistan’s military establishment).
Shia genocide was introduced into Mullah Omar’s Afghanistan by the likes of former ISI chief General Hamid Gul and ohers via LeJ operatives such as Riaz Basra and others, who along with Al Qaeda and Taliban, conducted systematic massacres of Shia Muslims in Bamiyan and Mazar-e-Sharif. After the ouster of Mullah Omar and other ISI-backed thugs from Kabul, LeJ-SSP operatives withdrew from Afghanistan focusing their attention on Shia genocide in Pakistan.
However, in the aftermath of the recent death of 24 Pakistani soldiers (in a clash with NATO), it seems that the ISI has decided to re-export Shia genocide to Afghanistan in order to exact revenge on Afghanistan by creating an artificial sectarian havoc in that country, and to cause further difficulties for the Karzai government.
Further- Bonn conference notwithstanding, a civil war in Afghanistan is a potential threat without an agreement with the Afghanistan, NATO (US) and Pakistan foreign policy leadership, i.e. the Pakistan military. Instead, based on a very questionable complex border accident, (Af/PAC border incident- Friday Times), a pouting Pakistan made a serious geopolitical mistake boycotting the Bonn Conference- Why, then, the absence of the most important border nation? In my opinion it is the tacit difference in goals and end game between the elected Zardari civil government (PPP) who desires for peace with India and Afghanistan vs. the PAK military strategic designs on Afghanistan and Kashmir abides. How could Pakistan civilian officials in Bonn state a consensus strategy that does not exist?
When will UN and the Human Rights Organizations wake up, that- ISI-supports Salafist/Deobandi/SSP/Haqqani network/Taliban enemies of Shiites in Pak and Afghanistan and are attempting to eliminate the Shiites- then, by proxy, an Afghan Taliban coup over Afghanistan’s government.
About the author: Rusty Walker is an Independent Political Analyst, educator, author, Vietnam veteran-era U.S. Air Force, from a military family, retired college professor, former Provost (Collins College, U.S.A.), artist, musician and family man. Mr. Walker is an ardent supporter of Pakistan. Here is a link to Mr. Walker’s other articles published on LUBP: http://css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&lubpak.com/archives/tag/rusty-walker
Very daring and honest assessment. Well done, Rusty Walker
My heart cries for Shias of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Every day is Ashura, every land is Karbala.
May Yazid, ISI, SSP/LeJ/Taliban be cursed. Always!
A spokesman for an Pakistani extremist group called Lashkar-e-Jhangvi al Almi claimed responsibility in a phone call to Radio Mashaal – a Pashto language radio station.
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi al Almi is a small faction based in Pakistan’s tribal area and is considered an even more radical offshoot of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, (LeJ), a murderous anti-Shia group founded in 1996. Both groups act as surrogates for al-Qaida.
The Pakistani Taliban, however, has its roots in anti-Shia violence, and LeJ acted as the training ground for its leader, Hakimullah Mehsud.
LeJ maintained training camps in Afghanistan under the Taliban regime but has not mounted attacks in Afghanistan in recent years. It is believed to have been behind some of the most audacious attacks in Pakistan, including the September 2008 bombing of the Marriott hotel in Islamabad and the armed assault on the visiting Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore in March 2009.
The group also claimed responsibility for the massacre of 29 Shia pilgrims on a bus in Pakistan’s Baluchistan province in September, and an attack on an Ashura procession in Karachi in 2009 which killed 30 people.
Until now, the splinter group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi al Almi was best known for kidnapping two former Pakistani spies and a British journalist in the tribal area last year.
The two former agents with Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence, Colonel Imam and Khalid Khawaja, were abducted in North Waziristan along with the British journalist Asad Qureshi, who was making a film for Channel 4.
The kidnappers demanded a $25m (£16m) ransom for Imam, who was regarded as the godfather of the original Afghan Taliban for his undercover work in Afghanistan in the 1990s.
Pleas from the leaders of the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network of militants went unheeded by the group. Imam and Khawaja were executed. Qureshi was later freed.
Earlier this year, the Pakistani courts freed Malik Ishaq, one of LeJ’s founders. Ishaq had faced dozens of murder charges but the courts said there was lack of evidence – his group had allegedly killed numerous witnesses who may have testified against him.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/06/al-qaida-kabul-attack-shia-pilgrims?newsfeed=true
You have a vast imagination. The other end of the right-wing conspiratorial lunatics.
Is it time that Shias should also start leaving Pakistan like Hindus? But this is no solution. India and Pakistan started their journey together after partition. But see where Pakistan stands now. It all happened due to Hate-India program of all Pakistani political parties. They have invested too much in it and now they are getting it back with proper interest. anyone supporting terror must realize that it will hit him/her sooner or later. This is simple. But politicians never understand anything that is simple enough.
An Afghan official claimed Wednesday that the bomber who attacked a shrine in Kabul was a Pakistani, affiliated with the sectarian militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ).
Afghans were Wednesday burying 59 people killed in unprecedented bombings against Shia Muslims as officials blamed Pakistani militants, accusing them of trying to whip up Iraq-style sectarian violence.
Investigators are poring over who was behind the coordinated attacks in the Afghan capital Kabul and northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif that the Taliban, the main faction leading a 10-year insurgency, have denied carrying out.
The LeJ has not previously claimed responsibility for any attacks in neighbouring Afghanistan.
Experts suggest that if Lashkar-e-Jhangvi or indeed any other Pakistani militants orchestrated the attacks, then elements in the Afghan Taliban may have played some part, possibly in facilitating the strikes.
Tuesday’s blast on the holiest day in the Shia calendar marked the first major attack on a key religious day in Afghanistan.
The twin blasts have prompted fears of a slide into sectarian violence in Afghanistan.
Lutfullah Mashal, a spokesman for Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security intelligence agency, confirmed that an investigation into the tragedy was now under way.
Sediq Sediqqi, a spokesman for the Afghan interior ministry, said the attack was the work of “the Taliban and their associates”, adding no-one else carried out such suicide attacks in Afghanistan.
An Afghan security official speaking on condition of anonymity said the bomber was from the Kurram agency in Pakistan’s border region and was connected to Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP).
The Afghan source added the attack aimed to “inflame sectarian violence in Afghanistan” but did not provide any evidence to back up his claims.
A Pakistani security official speaking anonymously said Lashkar-e-Jhangvi was closely associated with the Pakistani Taliban.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/303076/kabul-shrine-bomber-was-pakistani-affiliated-with-lej-afghan-official/
the holy war?
it seems strange that what ever happen in Afghanistan is connected with foreign countries specially Pakistan. Isn’t it afghan’s responsibility to secure their home land. First you have to admit that Afghan forces have failed once again to maintain peace. No one points them for such kind of activities, Afghan forces have to upgrade them to counter such incidents instead of blaming others. That’s the true face of story.
John- Excellent point, John, and true, but, that is yet another story in this hotbed country across the artificial Durand Line. Afghanistan is attempting to overcome centuries of weak governments. Karzai is all they have at present, and he and his forces of resistance are not currently equipped to handle Taliban insurgency and tribal disputes yet, if ever. To ignore the assistance given antagonists in Pakhtunistan across the Durand Line by the ISI and Pakistan Army is to deny reality.
This story is a limited focus on the longtime genocide of Shiites in the region (and going back decades in Afghanistan) complicated once again, by the recent Pakistan snubbing of the Bonn agreement where all the players were there but the most essential one: Pakistan. There are two governments in Pakistan- the civilian elected officials and the military. The strongest policy maker is the military. They could not have agreed to any long term association at Bonn in Afghanistan with their differing views- one interested in commerce and peaceful coexistence and one protecting the deep state military objectives.
Jamshed, your personal insult is confrontational, so I will ignore it and take thee higher ground- you ignore the potential dangers, as you state this baseless claim: “You have a vast imagination. The other end of the right-wing conspiratorial lunatics.” I hate most conspiracies, and most are dubious. Mine is merely a cautionary prediction.
But, I do not live in your fantasy land where lunacy is your answer to challenge the establishment; there are geopolitical consequences to not participating in the Bonn Conference, there are deadly visions in the future if nothing is done to address wanton killing of Shiites; For you to use such disrespectful language regards the caution I offer above, reflects an anger born of fear of change in the status quo. It would not take much for a civil war in Afghanistan- the danger lies in both competing interests within Afghanistan, and outside foreign meddling (whether Russian, US, China, India, but now, more than ever, especially Pakistan)- there has rarely been unity or a national identity among the tribes and ethnic and sectarian groups in Afghanistan after the 1970s, except in its unity against foreign occupation. We have reason to be concerned about regional intentions and those were addressed at Bonn in PAk absence; Why? The duplicity of Pak Army/ISI might have been a topic of concern there.
My hope is that perhaps you are right- my speculation is wrong, and Afghanistan is left alone to re-build, Taliban splinter group insurgents are sufficiently held off by the burgeoning US trained security Afghan forces and so they stave off insurgents, as Aghanistan flourishes, and gets out of the poppy business; What a thought! Shiites are left to their family and work; and the PAk military changes its secret agenda- I wonder if that hope is “lunatic”
According to Arif Rafiq (of Pakistan Policy), a low level ISI operative and a struggling blogger:
pakistanpolicy Arif Rafiq
Lashkar-e Jhangvi al-Alami is an al-Qaeda-linked LeJ splinter group responsible for attacks on mosques in Pakistan. It’s not ISI-backed.
great article, you have mentioned true aspects of situation in pakistan. Take the example of kurram agency where thousands of innocents people mainly shia killed during protecting their lands from ISI Agents , instead of giving credit they Were credited with road blocks for almost five years.
great article, you have mentioned true aspects of situation in pakistan. Take the example of kurram agency where thousands of innocents people mainly shia killed during protecting their lands from ISI Agents , instead of giving credit they Were punished with road blocks for almost five years.
Haider Toori, you mkae a good point, as, the Lashkar-e Jhangvi al-Alami and other al-Qaeda-linked splinter groups, as well as, LeJ splinter groups are no longer manageable or necessarily fully contollable by military or ISI as they have gone rogue in some instances, possess their own firepower, are unpredictable and don’t always follow their initial ISI/Pak Army deep state plan. This is where the term, “Frankenstein” has been aptly applied (To be fair, not so different than the U.S. and Saudis funding the Afghanistan “freedom fighters”- against the Soviets, that unwittingly materialized as Taliban). Unintended consequences of expediency, and the rampant short-term thinking in politics in your country and mine.
RUSTY… why dont you just mind your own business..your fathers haven’t been able to bring peace to my homeland, Afghanistan since 11 years, and you are following their footsteps i.e blaming Afghans, Pakistanis .. Its like I enter someone’s house with the intention of stealing and in case of being unsuccessful i blame the owners for not being cooperative.
an article without substance in which someone just puts a blame on an organization without much of an evidence. I can think of many other organization who could do this with intentions e.g. US – their CIA has done similar stuff across the world
Unfortunate countries & its unfortunate people of Pakistan & Afghanistan. Its people are going through systematic genocide & all sort of troubles in justification of new great game. Worse aspect of that, most of time its own rulers or secret agencies or other elite responsible for all troubles. Instead of safeguarding their lives & dignities, they do exactly otherwise.
ISI of Pakistan is well know notorious organization, though its motive may be wining great game or some thing else but we always ignore other important aspect of whole saga,that in last 30 years ideologically ISI now become brain child of Wahabism & being very close with Saudi Wahabis they receive every sort of backing from them, including financial.
What make me wounder,US & west is knowing this fact very well(if they don’t know I would be most surprised person on face of planet) & then done nothing to stop that, which in long term would harm their interests & way of life. Why US is not doing enough to stop wahabism been exported to Pakistan Afghanistan, to dry their finances & finish Talibans. I believe finishing Taliban may sound ridiculous for you but how could I believe such strong army, with most superior tech in world & vastly outnumbering Them, still struggling. Sorry I smell something rotten!
Pak shia, this is my business, geopolitical analysis.
I don’t pretend for a moment that Afghanistan is my business- it isn’t my business. And- I never suggested that we should “blame the owners for not being cooperative.” Afghanistan is cooperative, unless you are on the side of the Taliban!
I do agree with you that our “fathers” haven’t been able to “bring peace.” I also understand your frustration. But, you are addressing someone who respects the Afghanistan people, culture and the Afghans that I have met. I probably should have expressed that more clearly. I wish only the best for your country.
If you read what I am saying, you will see that I support the Afghanistan government’s decision working through the Bonn Conference to work WITH all nations, as you plan your development your own way- The core of my essay is that, that requires cooperation with Pakistan, most of all, the one absent from your conference. The other issue is global- mistreatment of minorities, like the Shias;
Afghanistan should be left to build your own “house” in the way you wish.
The forces I am discussing have only harm to bring to Afghanistan: the Pakistan military/ISI and Taliban-
As for the Americans, well, the Americans are leaving, so you are getting your wish.
I was confident in my job and in my personal life. I felt I knew who I was and what I was doing in the face of all the uncertainty brought by this war and this kind of life. That changed on Dec. 6 when a blast in central Kabul killed 58 and wounded another 150 people, mostly ethnic Hazaras watching the observance of the Shi’ite holy day of Ashura, in which adherents whip their backs with chains and blades to mourn the martyrdom of Imam Husain and mark his sacrifice. I was among the crowd, maybe 15 meters from where the suicide bomber detonated himself. Before the explosion, my camera and I were already dotted with blood that had flown in showers off the backs, chaines and blades of the men beating themeselves in a frenzy of religious fervor. But, in the blink of an eye, there would be so much more blood.
The explosion radiated out in a circle through the densely packed crowd. The bomb left a closely packed semicircle of bodies in its wake, as if a giant scythe had reached out, cutting people down like wheat in its sweep. Women, children and babies behind the bomber had been blown against a wall, compressed into a piled and tangled line of blood and scorched clothing.
The dead were dead. The wounded were horrifying to behold, moving or just breathing in unnatural ways through their pain. They writhed or simply jerked and shuddered on the ground. Some simply gaped through bloody mouths, blinking in disbelief, covered in dust and gore. I saw one little girl stand up, then collapse back onto the pile of her bloodied brothers and sisters. A baby lay half on her mother’s chest with her torso and head lying face first on the ground, not moving. It was the Inferno. It was the second most bloodiest day in Kabul in recent years.
I ran around not knowing what to do or where to go. In the center of it, all I wanted to do was close my eyes and ears and not see anymore. Then I went back to work.
I have covered numerous bombings and attacks in Kabul. Once you hear the boom, you grab your cameras and jump on your bicycle (which makes it easier to get past police checkpoints and to move quickly through traffic jams). Then you deal with the aftermath: the slick of blood and intestines, the heads emptied and collapsed like a deflated soccer ball. But being there when the horror of that day made itself known was a completely different experience.
See TIME’s photoessays: “Afghanistan Blueys: One Soldier’s Polaroids.”
I am not proud of my work on Tuesday. I almost do not even remember taking the pictures or video that aired on CNN. I know I had to keep working though. It is my job and there were only two other photographers there during the blast. The Afghans deserved to have their story told. And there were others there to help the wounded and carry the dead. I didn’t have my tourniquet with me — I usually carry one to bombings — and one tourniquet would not have been enough. I had been so close to the blast, had nearly been trampled and, while getting back to work, was frantically looking for the body of my colleague and friend Joel van Houdt, a Dutch photographer, who had been covering the event with. I was relieved to see him standing, physically unharmed and working as I was. But even though I had come so close to death, had been part of the bomber’s target, I did not feel the same way I felt after being nearly shot by a sniper. I did not feel anything.
I do not feel like I have checked a box. I do not feel like this certifies me as a war photographer, videographer or journalist. I do not have any pride in this work. All I feel is sadness for all the babies and little children that were killed. Just sadness and anger that people could do this to others.
I used to tell people who asked that the reason I cover this war was because I have close Afghan friends in Helmand–and I don’t want to have to see them run away, die or hide when the civil war begins, as everyone seems to be predicting, after the planned American withdrawal in 2014. The only way I can do that, I explained, was by showing what is going on here and helping bring it to an end — an end that does not lead to a civil war. After Tuesday’s bombing I realized I am here not for my Afghan friends, but for all Afghans and everyone fighting here. As my colleague and friend Joel said to me, this is no longer only their war, that war over there, between the Afghans, it is ours too now, and we are here to try to give them a voice against this incomprehensible violence and brutal rage.
Another photographer, my friend Pieter ten Hoopen, told me a day after the bombing that he is afraid of what is to come here in Afghanistan. U.S. troops, a stabilizing force, are withdrawing and the violence will only increase. In the near future, Pieter is afraid that the viciousness of this attack will only make even more brutal attacks imaginable — and that they will be carried out. I, too, am afraid.
See TIME’s
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2101935,00.html#ixzz1g6rRZFPn
and this picture:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/12/09/the_world_in_photos_this_week?page=0,1
Haroon, your sincere story above is eloquent and humbling.
Someone has used my name to smear the Pakistanis-
“To all Pakistanis….you are fukn losers..corrupt people..beggars…..bastards.” was obviously
not written by me.
Editors please remove the fake post above.
Rusty, you are patently hilarious (though i’m sure it is unintentional, and i’ll give you the benefit of doubt that you’re interested in an honest exchange of views rather than bullying tactics). I’m at a loss as to how you went from your innuendo about isi and shias to the supposed importance of the bonn conference. Lets stick to the topic. Shias (or Sunnis) getting killed by each other is an unfortunate historial reality and one i’m afraid will continue into the future as competing political narratives play out. Shias, represented by the Hazara community in Afghanistan have no doubt been persecuted. They are the victims of Afghan (and Paki) society which operates on a communal (and subsequent reprisal/revenge basis). The Hazaras are still being punished for being the descendants of Mongol invaders. Currently, they are an easy target because they are a minority caught up in an obvious civil war which will only get worse unless the US army and establishment enters into meaningfull negotiations with the Afghan National Resistance – they are all rural Afghans who have a stake in a free Afghanistan. It must throw out any delusions of having a stranglehold over the region and containing the aspirations of the people of the region. Goes the same for any other government including Pakistan, but most importantly, the current regime in Kabul. Pakistan will just have to accept that any regime in Kabul will blame Pak for any and everything that happens in their country, and conspiracy theorists will carry their water on the internet. The Kabul regime hasn’t done anything to reverse the likely outcome of this stalemate and risks a rerun of the last puppet regime in Kabul, that of Najibullah propped up by the Soviets. Will this have an adverse affecting Pakistan? Of course it will. It will have to live with the consequences of having a destabilizing civil war next door. The only way to mitigating damage is to have internal dialogue and move forward despite the baggage of carrying refugees and dangerous political narratives from next door. Not preferable, but realistically very likely.
Afghans have shown themselves to be resilient and they must be given the space to conclude their problems with indigenous solutions. Importing ideologies and armies (whether from the US, Soviets, Saudi Arabia, or Pak) will not do any good. For their situation (thanks to their duplicity), they only have themselves to blame. Just like all other players.
The rest of your rant is predictable. One can hope the US army/Pentagon stops playing games. The former Northern Alliance thugs/terrorists now masquerading as the ANA stop doing what they do best: terrorize. And most importantly individuals such as yourself ground your writing in facts and not innuendo.
I’ll request you to stop getting defensive at being called out for something which is obvious – your baseless smear campaign wrapped as “cautionary predictions” and “analysis”. Remember emotionalism and feigning victimhood is not going to get us to a common understanding. Your knowledge, or lack thereof, is dare i say, is “rusty”. Was that too “confrontational”?
Jamshed, Sorry, scanning your “rant” – your arrogance and patronizing isn’t worth the read.
Well Rusty:- It was US Army which certainly exported terror to Vietnam, Your speculation regarding Pak Army doing so appears to be baseless. Why would a LeJ Al Almi terrorist go to Kabul on direction from Pak Army? What Army would het killing 80 innocent men in Kabul? Do you have some proof to substantiate that Army had a role in it?
Thanks for the negative feedback, especially the one who brings up Vietnam, which illustrates the absurdity of responding in LUBP comments after I have already stated my case in a published article. My essays are not a forum for academic discussion. I read, research, confirm location information, confide with official sources and make informed analysis. This isn’t a debate. You can read my essays or not. You are all entitled to your opinions. I am not interested in your negativity.
Thus, I will no longer respond to comments.
In looking at some of the comments above, one thing became very clear and that was attacking Rusty Walker’s nationality instead of his arguements. This article is not about Vietnam but about Shia genocide both in Pakistan and Afghanistan. When someone of conscience like Mr. Walker writes about them, he is attacked personally in the comments section. It was easier to attack than his arguements which are being quoted in many different forums. I have researched his work on LUBP and he comes across as more well informed than the propagandists of GEO Aaj. He has been critical of the USA also. However, there is no need for him to bash his country when the murderers of Shias are Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Please keep writing Rusty bhai; my friends showed me twitter feeds where Prof. Christine Fair was sending your links.
Saira Kazim Bahini, thank you,! (I will respond to your positive comments)
Thank you for the information on the well regarded Prof. Christine Fair. In my articles I always look for unbiased truth, hope and positive outcome for South Asia, a region of beautiful people and deep, rich culture and history that is unfortunately contending with terrorists and extremists.
And, yes, my beloved U.S. has made egregious mistakes throughout history that need not be recounted each time I write an essy, but we still love our country as you should love yours- such are the complexities and nature of geopolitics. Thank you again, Saira, my friend.
A bitter truth. But every one must understand that we(pak) are new 2 worlds map. It takes centuries 2 convert a crowd into a nation. These secterian differences are not new but historical. Logical Differencesbases are always b healthy things which leads one to go beyond. Unfortunantly, these differnce are used for politics and power. Not u, but the Muslims hav 2 think about it. We could b the best analyst for ourself.
Comparing US Army,s adventures in Vietnam with a dream work of connecting Kabul bombing with Pak Army is negative? I think I would always be negative then. Well what about Heroshima and Nagasaki? Were the positive Mr Rusty? I guess you would always be positive and brownies like me will always be negative
I think Rusty has no sound basis of his arguements. His aim is spreading negativity against Pak Army. I think if he has a right to talk about Pak Army’s role and deeds, We can also discuss US Army’s roles, especially use of nuclear power against Japan. Us Army has bombed million times more than Pak Army, so better and logical discussion would be regarding role of US Army. This is not being negative, this is tackling bigger problem first
Pakistan has better hunger and shelter index than India
Pakistan has better ease of doing business index than India as we are less corrupt than Indians
Pakistan has the largest voluntary ambulance service in the world
Pakistan is the 7th nuclear power, with an excellent record of nuclear safety (remember Chernobel and Bhopal)
Pakistanis are mature that in 1987 they saw Pakistani Cricket team loosing a semifinal of world cup and absorbed it. 10 years later Indian crowd could not do the same and started throwing stones, match had to be stopped
Pakistan has a strong army
Pakistan has independent judiciary, media and democracy
Pakistan has 2nd largest coal reserves in the world.
By 2014 Inshallah Pakistan will rise in the world as a developing country
Dont loose hope, serve the country with pride. Long Live Pakistan
Rusty, unfortunately i read your ranting and thankfully took nothing from it. Predictable that you would avoid dialogue…
By the way Mr Rusty why are you so worried about a bomb in Kabul? Have you forgotten decades of CIA sponsored bloodshed across the globe masterminded by your Dr Death and alikes? Who you are trying to fool Mr Rusty? Dedicate the rest of your life for victims of US CIA based global operations killing millions and maiming even more. I would like to see your candid opinion on all CIA based operation one by one, also seeking forgiveness from poor third world for deeds of your countrymen. Have the courage to say something beyond your pay cheques. Only pay cheques should not force you to produce laughable stupid stuff. Leave us, we will take care of Pakistan and its organizations. You look inward and dedicate the rest of your life on exposing CIA operations
Great job done Mr Rusty.. you deserve a salute
I would like to ask just one question to whom this Shia favouring article is piercing their hearts that whatever america has done but atleast “they dont kill that people like pakistan army do, do they?”. Welldone Rusty.. plz keep helping.
@ haider: Shias and Sunnis are brothers and there should be no such thing as shia sunni divide. Ther disagreement is regarding Mr Rusty Walkers baseless allegation on Pakistan Army. His arguments are baseless. Pakistan Army didnot urinate on bodies, they did not take naked photos of Iraqis. In fact US Army is the bigger problem. Rusty may like to switch subjects if he wants to tackle the real problem. As regards shiuas, they are as good muslims as anyone else. I donot belive in shia sunni divide. many shias, sunnis and wahabis are my friends and countrymen. Any loss of life for shias is for muslims. There is no difference.
Rusty should write an article on urinating on dead bodies, his opinion please?
My response follows your comments:
“Shias and Sunnis are brothers and there should be no such thing as shia sunni divide.” I agree.
“Mr Rusty Walkers baseless allegation on Pakistan Army. His arguments are baseless.”
Wrong. Any allegations I have made against the Pakistan Army are founded on well known facts of supporting combined ISI/Pak Army supporting of TTP, LeT and other countless terrorists that they protect, includeing bin Laden, Hazara massacres, Baloch targeted killings, and generally undermining the elected government, the Pak Army is in league with the judiciary; and economically scimming much of the USAID for themselves- the Army has more private enterprises and wealth and economic power than any military should have when its own people need education and basic resources, particularly in FATA and Balochistan; in fact, the government is held hostage by your military always the threat of coup. The US should never have aligned with the Pakistan millitary, it should have worked closer to the elected government.
“Pakistan Army did not urinate on bodies, they did not take naked photos of Iraqis.”
I said they did. The Americans that did this will be punished, and it is an embarrassment to the code of all true warriors in my opinion; It was unethical, wrong, and should never be permitted. Apologies should be made from the U.S. to Pakistan.
“I donot belive in shia sunni divide. many shias, sunnis and wahabis are my friends and countrymen. Any loss of life for shias is for muslims.”
I would agree with you that the way you think is the way it shold be. tAnd, there are many that are friends and that, as you say so well, “Any loss of life for shias is for muslims.”
However, to ignore those Muslims that do not agree with you and me, and in fact, kill Shias and Ahmadis, is to be in denial about problems that exist in the Muslim community that need to be fixed. I write about these things because the Muslims and Pakistanis I know encourage me to give my analysis.
I never deny that America can make mistakes, troops sometimes misbehave in a criminal way (in the US military, your military, and any nation’s military- it should never be tolerated) and those that do these horrible things should be and will be punished.
My articles attempt to support Pakistan’s elected government, and good Muslims that feel the way you do in your note to me. In fact, most of the Pakistani Army are good soldiers just doing their job as they are directed. It is the general high command, many of them wealthy land owners and business owners, that has directed your army to support enmity towards India, and support terrorists for the Deep State strategy, along with the ISI, support the ethnic/sectarian killings in Quetta and Balochistan.
Correction
“Pakistan Army did not urinate on bodies, they did not take naked photos of Iraqis.”
I NEVER said they did.
I have not seen Mr. Walker defend the wrongs of the US. Quite the opposite. Why should he be accused of things he did not do! This article is about Pakistan army which is killing Baloch and killing Shias. Why don’t we stick to this topic or are some people so insecure.
Thank you, Shazia. For commenter’s to verbally attack me because I am an American is as bad as Americans (or, Indians) who verbally attack Pakistan just because they are Pakistani.
Because I write about Pakistan and never the United States, and because I consider myself a patriot of the U.S. and believe in free enterprise, pluralism, democracy, and a supporter of the U.S. and Pakistan civilian government, I am often misunderstood, and people assume a lot about me. I respect Pakistani military, but not the military leaders or their policies. I do not always agree with my nation’s decisions, though I have love for the US and I have many friends in Pakistan (and India). I love the Persian culture, and enjoy the rich history of Middle East and South Asia, as well s my countries heritage.
1. Slavery was a mistake in the United States, but it as also a mistake in Europe, Africa and Muslim countries as well.
2. The American Indian’s deserved better treatment in American history, but there were atrocities on both sides; I am not one to dwell on colonialism or Manifest Destiny- but, we should look to history to try to learn by our mistakes.
3. WWI was such an unnecessary war, but the US helped to end it.
4. WWII was a fight against evil- the Japanese war machine and Hitler’s Nazis; just as Mao and Stalin were mass murderers, today terrorists who kill innocent victims are evil (they interpret the Quran incorrectly).
5. American involvement in Vietnam was a mistake- we still had the domino theory of the monolithic Communism during the Cold War of “Communism” overtaking the world in 1950s-1960s. Two American heroes agreed with me: President Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy both were against troops being sent there. I still served my country in the Vietnam war, as any military man would. So, I understand that the government and military general staff give orders to soldiers that must follow them. My heart is always with the troops in the field, and the fallen warriors fighting under their orders, which do not determine geopolitics, nor fully know or understand politics and political motivations. I nevertheless respect the veterans- 58,209 US troops- I lost many of my friends.
6. I think Reagan’s American involvement in funding Afghanistan in the 1980s turned out to be a mistake with unintended consequences.
7. I think the US 1980s secretly funding the Iraq war against Iran was a mistake where millions of Iraqi and Iranian youth murdered each other – a tragedy.
8. I think USAID of funding through General Zia and Musharaff was wrong, because most of the billions of aid through history went to the Army, and much of the funds meant for Pakistan economic development has not been accounted for, it funded Taliban, and it funded the nuclear development instead, and Musharaff absconded with millions.
9. I think President Bush, Sr. was right to stop Saddam invasion of Kuwait- but, should have finished the job, by decimating the Iraqi elite military forces, military equipment, air force and munitions; defeating the army would have opened up possibilities of regime change within.
10. Clinton was right to defend the Muslim genocide in Bosnia; but, the same Human Rights motivation should have been applied in Darfur and Rwanda.
11. I think after 9/11, the US should not have invaded Afghanistan, instead, it should have worked with the CIA and, anti-Taliban Afghans, and even the ISI and Pakistan military to target al Qaeda locations, in a secret Special Forces operation, and when successfully killing bin Laden and combatants, left the region.
12. I think it was a mistake for Bush Jr. to invade Iraq.
13. I believe the U.S. should not have involved itself in Libya. I am not an isolationist, but, unless US economy or national security is involved, the US should refrain from entering into Arab Spring, or other Middle East issues.
14. The U.S. should develop sufficient oil from its own huge resources and stop aligning with Saudi Arabia.
15. I am not a pacifist; If Iran or any other country commits the international crime of cutting off the Gulf of Hormuz, they must be removed by any means necessary.
16. Any attack on an American ally should be immediately defended by the US and its allies.
17. Both India and Pakistan are American allies, and believe they should be our allies against terrorism, and involved in commerce together, and hold a plebiscite on Kashmir or at the least a civil discussion over current rights to Kashmir.
The U.S. and Americans are good people, we are not all bad, and we are not your enemy:
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/national/13-Jan-2012/-10-million-us-aid-for-balochistan-schools
Long explanations will not do the job. You have an illogical job of relating some explosion in Kabul with Pak Army. You will never succeed in that. Your baseless thesis would only increase the love for Pakistan among Pakistanis. You are counterproductive. Do something else, stop defaming Pakistan
I never defame Pakistan.
If my thesis is well researched; I support democratic Pakistan.
If my essay, as you say, “will only increase the love for Pakistan among Pakistanis.” Good.
I finished responding to your convoluted pattern of illogical thought.
You still stick to your assertion that Kabul explosions were executed by Pak Army? Where is the proof? Can I say these were executed by Newzealand Army? and I too have sound proofs and deep research.
Sohaib: “You still stick to your assertion that Kabul explosions were executed by Pak Army? Where is the proof?”
I am not asserting that the Pak Army executed the Kabul explosions.
I am asserting that the Pak Army and ISI, supports this and other destabilization in Afghanistan as in line with its “Strategic depth” long term goals.
There is a bit of contradiction. The heading says Pak Army re exports Shia Genocide to Afghanistan. The heading should have been a bit different I think. Anyways, I hope you will soon right an article on Afghan civilians killed and burnt by a so called deranged staff seargent ex US Army. Dont tell me he is a passionate family man and a father of three, he loves his kids and he is a nice fellow. Dont tell me he cannot be an evil minded terrorist, he has politely killed and burnt 9 Afghan children. Please bother your esteemed faculties and right something on this also. Somehow you are bent upon proving that Pakistan is supporting Shia Genocide, which, to me, appears baseless.
LOL@ Sohaib. If a taliban kills a child he is an evil minded terrorist. If a blue blooded american kills a child, he is a deranged person, a loving family man and a nice fellow who loves his family and countrymen. Surely he is not deranged too much to kill and burn own child or even in his neighborhood. I would call it optimum derangement. You like it Sohaib?
Aatif, you are as illogical and cynical as your misguided Sohaib friend, and offer a ridiculous analogy. You compare one egregious act by and American, against the act of Taliban? Ridiculous.
We in America aren’t above condemning our own if one or more perform a criminal act; no one here protects a murderer.
The Taliban perpetuate murder and suicide attacks against your own people, target killing so tribal leaders and families. I wonder who you must be, to seemingly put the Taliban in a good light, with your clumsy comparison to one soldier who was murderous, no question, he was wrong. No one is defending killing spree like that.
When a single American soldier, or any US troop(s) commit such an act, it is criminal, and he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Why? Because unlike Pakistan, in the U.S. it is a Law and Order society.
Courts in Pakistan let murders go free on a regular basis.
Many thousands of Taliban have ruined your country and yet you take their side? Astounding.
I am done writing to you two jihadists.
I am not a Jihadist. Taliban are a bunch of criminals, who are power hungry and cruel. I am not taking taliban in good light, however, I support Sohaib’s point that Rusty Walker should write an article on US troops urinating on bodies, burning Quran and killing & burning children. Lets see if you can do so.
It is so easy to label anyone who speaks against a blue blooded US deranged soldier as Jihadist. You have exactly done the same. I dont think this will help. You can easily prove your fairness by writing on deranged soldier groups and taliban, condemning both. If you do so, I will surely support your viewpoint.
Finally, I agree with your view that taliban are murders and use cruel inhuman ways to execute suicide bombing. Thus, we have a common opinion Mr Rusty. We should be happy about it.
Aatif- Thank you for the intelligent response.
I can see how an article from me such as you have suggested might be a fair essay. Let me look into it and see if I am capable of doing this. I think may very well try to write something worthy of the subject. I will admit that there are so many complexities at work in the geopolitical affairs of men, that it is a daunting task to be able to write something that covers fairness and balance all around.
And, again, thank you for communicating your point in a gentlemanly way. We should all be communicating this way, as we need less hatred and more understanding.
thnx Rusty
great article well don you have mentions all realities except U.S national interest in this situation..you have to research about it please.Late Iranian Islamic revolutionary leader Imam Khomeini r.a said all geopolitic problems and other difficulties in progress of Muslims of the is America and Israel who behave like animal with human beings in the world WE Hate American policies and there keyers . allah subhanahu wa talah (god) will gives Trophies to American and Isrealies as well Terrorist organization in here after inshalah We will don Owen best to revenge inshalah shiites belief martyred is great achievement of life and every shiietes ALI A.S prays for Owen martyred …PREVIOUS comments by INAAM
an article without substance in which someone just puts a blame on an organization without much of an evidence. I can think of many other organization who could do this with intentions e.g. US – their CIA has done similar stuff across the world..
by inaam i agreed with his comment U.S is main factor which kill thousand of peoples in different regions of the world for U.S publicity and interest..U.S donkey polices are dangerous for all humens and natur of the world ..
U.S support lashkar e jangvi.SSP etc as well as other terrorist organition
Keep it up Mr.Rusty Walker alah GOD will give you blessings for your effort for human right BEST OF LUCK
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It is difficult to address all the U.S. blunders in every article I write, especially when I am trying to clear up a specific prblem in a thesis. There are many things you mention that I might agree with you- but some are incorrect-
Your comment: “U.S support lashkar e jangvi.SSP ” is not fair, and not true.
“U.S donkey polices” sounds a little insulting, too.
That said, I will try to take your advice, and remember to include more of the U.S. missteps and bad policies in the future and perhaps that will help in balance- and also you and others not demonizing the U.S. blanketly, and stop the conspiracy theories that aren’t true. America made some serious mistakes, but it doesn’t support terrorist organizations (we unwittingly did support Mujahdeen that turned into Taliban in the 80s; and shouldn’t have supported Iraq against the Iranians in the 1980s, we have plenty we did wrong; supporting the Shah of Iran, Zia, and Mubarak for 30 years, the Saudis, sure we make mistakes- but some things you mention go too far).
As for Israel, that is way too difficult a subjet to throw into articles I write on. There are two sides to that and both side make horrendous mistakes- That subject needs a book, not an essay, when I am trying to make a point in support of Shia.
Authorfs anti Pak Army bias is too visible. Please balance out your venom against Army.
Imran, you do not read clearly, or are in denial- I have nothing against soldiers that are just doing their duty; so I have no real Pak Army bias. I also have no venom against the Army itself. Many of the Pakistani Army are good people, friends of mine, have families, do their duty;
It is the Pakistan Army commanders who make policy and intimidate the government, hide bin Laden, all the while, suporting Lashkar-e-Jhangvi/SSP(ASWJ))et. al. and support genocidal killings of Shia (horrific live beheadings I’ve seen on video), and kill and dump of Balochs, lawlessness gone unattended by military establishment, and other terrorizing and killing of minorities. So, how can i be biased against the Pak Army? The Pak Army by ignoring the points I have made- facts – are not bias- many of this in the name of the military failed “Strategic Depth” program.
I am military, from a military family. Most military men are honest, brave, loyal and follow orders. I have nothing against the majority of military – those that are not involved in the thesis I posted above.
Those military rogues that carry out those orders I outline above, are indeed, snakes with venom.
Your assertions are wrong. I think I would like to take them on one by one. First, Army commanders make policy and intimidate the government. It is wrong by all means. Army,s role in policy is almost the same as any other country. In fact, there have been problems regarding this fact. Kiyani had already asked the government to give a policy on GWOT in his first famous presentation to Parliament. How can you deny this?
Imran- we disagree. This is not a debate forum.
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