Deobandi Atheism – by Pejamistri
I have noticed that all those self-proclaimed “atheists” who show their “atheism” by bad mouthing religions instead of liberal values of atheism come from “Deobandi” or “Salafi” background. I call them Deobandi atheist.
It is simple. It seems that for Pakistani variety of atheists, atheism is nothing more than another religion. It is like finding a new “LIGHT” after being in “DARKNESS”
For a “Salafi” “Deobandi” atheist, it is the same as his old religion. It is the first part of his kalma لاالہ, a fundamental article of faith.
Deobandi atheism is hostile and tablighi in its nature, borderline militant atheism, though without power to implement its agenda. It lacks the basic essence of humanism, co-existence and tolerance for diversity.
While the essence of atheism in its original form is indeed very different, unfortunately many in Pakistan practice it like Wahabism they think it just لا الہ.
Atheism does not mean “لا الہ”, it is not Wahabism.
A lot of liberal/atheist people particularly who come from a stricter conservative Muslim background, are as puritanical in their belief in and preaching of atheism as they were when they used to be puritanical Salafis or Deobandis.
The character of a Pakistani atheist is quite different than a Russian atheist. Pakistani atheist particularly an atheist from past puritanical Wahhabi or similar background remains puritanical and intolerant in his approach to faith or lack of faith. He turns into a hostile and intolerant preacher (tablighi) of atheism.
And not only does a Pakistani ‘become an Atheist,’ but he actually starts believing in Atheism, just like he used to believe in his past religion or sect.
It will be a good study to interview Pakistani “Liberals” and “Atheists” about their religious backgrounds. It will be an interesting study into psychology of newly turned atheists, a compariosn of Hindu, Muslim, Christian atheists etc.
“Deobandiism/Wahabism” is not a belief it is a state in which you abuse, bad mouth other people’s gods. It is called لاالہ.
Atheism has nothing to do with “Deobandi Atheism”, former is set of liberal values that make human more humane.
Later is just a “greater” deobandi who can abuse other’s gods with moreforce without fear of getting return abuse to his god as ThereIsNoGod
There are three stages to become a Deobandi Atheist.
1. You are a “practicing” muslim believing in لاالہ الا اللہ محمد الرسول اللہ
2. Then you become an “extremist” muslim. Believing in لاالہ الا اللہ
3. Finally you become a “Deobandi Atheist” , believing only in لا الہ
All extremist and other habits as “Deobandi” muslims remain same.
ایتھیسم کا دیوبندی ایتھیسم سے کوی لینا دینا نھیں، ایتھیسم انسانی اقدار کا وہ مجموعہ ھے جو اپ کو انسانیت کی معراج پر پہنچاتا ھے۔
جبکہ دیوبندی ایتھیسم شدت پسندی کی وہ شکل ھےجس میں اپ دوسرے کے خداوں کو گالی بغیر اس خوف کے دے سکتےھیں کہ وہ اپ کےخداکوگالی دےگاکیونکہ لا الہ
الحاد ھو یا اسلام بات ایک ھی ھے
اصل ثواب تبلیغ میں ھے ، پیغام میں نھیں
Comment by @Askari_H
Using hate speech, how can they become role model and tell people that atheism is better than any religion?Apparently, they talk about bigotry of religion, yet show the same. In other words, humanity is just a new refuge for their bigotry.
Clearly, the desi or Pakistani version of atheism is similar to Salafism/Wahabism, except belief in existence of God. Nothing more!
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False neutrality and lack of sense of proportion – by Pejamistri
Every crime has some degree of intensity, that is why there is a difference between a crime and felony. A felony is a type of crime that is serious and carries heavy penalty. Jaywalking is a crime but murder is both a crime and a felony. People have strange views, one might call them “absurd”, laughable and even condemn those views. Last year I happened to go in a service of Romanian Church on the eve of Christmas, and after very joyful rhymes and poems, all of a sudden people dropped on their knees and start crying and praying, I was taken aback, I thought how “absurd” is it and almost started laughing. But then I realised that how many laughable and absurd things I commit on daily basis. From crying while watching an emotional scene in the movie and feeling angry when Pakistan looses a cricket match, to believing that “universe was created on throw of a dice” and there might be another universe in which PejaMistri is Molvi Munnawar Hassan (shame on me).
The point I am trying to make is that its all about proportion. Once you loose sense of proportion, you basically keep the same extremists views but simply switch the sides. A lot of my “liberati” twitter fellows started screaming with the full throttle against “Chabi wala molvi”. A lot of them started proving how he is worse than Burqa Wala molvi (Molvi Abdul Aziz), and how his Lahore residence is same as “Laal Masjid”. How he is responsible for the killing of 14 people in Lahore and so on and so on. I am not going to defend this molvi, to me he is just a molvi like so many other laughable molvis exist in the world. But just like in my “secularism” I don’t start abusing every other ideology and religion, it is not right for me to start equating him with the extremist like Taliban and Deobandi/Wahabi ideology.
Let me explain in more detail, back in my college days in those dark days of General Zia, when I found the light of “Communism” and “Atheism”, I started “preaching” Atheism, and condemning all those friends and class fellows of mine who would go to “Dars-e-Quran” and “Masjid”. In my zeal, I even started “Dars-e-Das-Kapital”. In fact once I started a “Dars-e-Nancy-Friday” in competition with Jamati’s Dars-e-Quran and believe me more started coming to “Dars-e-Nancy-Friday” listening “Forbidden Flowers” than people going in Dars-e-Quran 🙂 . But during a discussion we realised that it is almost no different than Jamaati Molvis who “Preach” their ideology with as much “zeal and zest” as I am preaching my ideology. And soon I realised that it is not just “preaching” and it is the “zeal and zest” and “force” with which we “preach” and many a times “impose” our ideology on others. And there comes the sense of proportion. As I said people have so many different views, many of those views are “absurd” and “condemnable” but while “ridiculing” or “condemning” such views one must keep in view the relative proportion of intensity of such views. The “condemnation” of “cigarette smoker” in public is not equal to that of a mass killer.
Let me be more explicit, there is no comparison of Deobandi/Wahabi/Salafi “Islamism” and other “laughable” Islamic beliefs like Ahmadis, Shias, Bralevis. I find it ridicules when our “liberati” condemn and put pictures on twitter/facebook of Ahmedi’s kissing their Khalifa’s hand, a Bralevi dancing on Qawali or a Shia doing Matam, and in their zeal to condemn the “religion” and show how much “secular” and “atheist” they are, they proudly declare that they are “real” liberals who condemn “ALL” absurd “Islamic” practices just like they condemn Taliban’s extremists views. No my friend no, there is something wrong in this, there is a huge difference between “Islamist” who declares other religion “Kufr” and then strives to eliminate that “Kufr” by “use-of-force” or by “use-of-tongue” or by “use-of-hatred-in-their-heart”, and a “muslim” who simply commits “laughable” acts in his search to get “Jannah”. There is no doubt a muslim can turn “Islamist” at any time but until he is just a “muslim” you can not equate him with an Islamist.
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