Look in Your Mirror
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: September 18, 2012 269 Comments

On Monday, David D. Kirkpatrick, the Cairo bureau chief for The Times, quoted one of the Egyptian demonstrators outside the American Embassy, Khaled Ali, as justifying last week’s violent protests by declaring: “We never insult any prophet — not Moses, not Jesus — so why can’t we demand that Muhammad be respected?” Mr. Ali, a 39-year-old textile worker, was holding up a handwritten sign in English that read: “Shut Up America.” “Obama is the president, so he should have to apologize!”

I read several such comments from the rioters in the press last week, and I have a big problem with them. I don’t like to see anyone’s faith insulted, but we need to make two things very clear — more clear than President Obama’s team has made them. One is that an insult — even one as stupid and ugly as the anti-Islam video on YouTube that started all of this — does not entitle people to go out and attack embassies and kill innocent diplomats. That is not how a proper self-governing people behave. There is no excuse for it. It is shameful. And, second, before demanding an apology from our president, Mr. Ali and the young Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans, Yemenis, Pakistanis, Afghans and Sudanese who have been taking to the streets might want to look in the mirror — or just turn on their own televisions. They might want to look at the chauvinistic bile that is pumped out by some of their own media — on satellite television stations and Web sites or sold in sidewalk bookstores outside of mosques — insulting Shiites, Jews, Christians, Sufis and anyone else who is not a Sunni, or fundamentalist, Muslim. There are people in their countries for whom hating “the other” has become a source of identity and a collective excuse for failing to realize their own potential.

The Middle East Media Research Institute, or Memri, was founded in 1998 in Washington by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli government adviser on counterterrorism, “to bridge the language gap between the Middle East and the West by monitoring, translating and studying Arab, Iranian, Urdu and Pashtu media, schoolbooks, and religious sermons.” What I respect about Memri is that it translates not only the ugly stuff but the courageous liberal, reformist Arab commentators as well. I asked Memri for a sampler of the hate-filled videos that appear regularly on Arab/Muslim mass media. Here are some:

ON CHRISTIANS Hasan Rahimpur Azghadi of the Iranian Supreme Council for Cultural Revolution: Christianity is “a reeking corpse, on which you have to constantly pour eau de cologne and perfume, and wash it in order to keep it clean.” http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1528.htm — July 20, 2007.

Sheik Al-Khatib al-Baghdadi: It is permissible to spill the blood of the Iraqi Christians — and a duty to wage jihad against them. http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5200.htm — April 14, 2011.

Abd al-Aziz Fawzan al-Fawzan, a Saudi professor of Islamic law, calls for “positive hatred” of Christians. Al-Majd TV (Saudi Arabia), http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/992.htm — Dec. 16, 2005.

ON SHIITES The Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Yaaqub: “Muslim Brotherhood Presidential Candidate Mohamed Morsi told me that the Shiites are more dangerous to Islam than the Jews.” http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3466.htm — June 13, 2012.

The Egyptian Cleric Mazen al-Sirsawi: “If Allah had not created the Shiites as human beings, they would have been donkeys.” http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3101.htm — Aug. 7, 2011.

The Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan video series: “The Shiite is a Nasl [Race/Offspring] of Jews.” http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/51/6208.htm — March 21, 2012.

ON JEWS Article on the Muslim Brotherhood’s Web site praises jihad against America and the Jews: “The Descendants of Apes and Pigs.” http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/51/6656.htm — Sept. 7, 2012.

The Pakistani cleric Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai: “When the Jews are wiped out, the world would be purified and the sun of peace would rise on the entire world.” http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/51/6557.htm — Aug. 1, 2012.

Dr. Ismail Ali Muhammad, a senior Al-Azhar scholar: The Jews, “a source of evil and harm in all human societies.” http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/51/6086.htm — Feb. 14, 2012.

ON SUFIS A shrine venerating a Sufi Muslim saint in Libya has been partly destroyed, the latest in a series of attacks blamed on ultraconservative Salafi Islamists. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19380083 — Aug. 26, 2012.

As a Jew who has lived and worked in the Muslim world, I know that these expressions of intolerance are only one side of the story and that there are deeply tolerant views and strains of Islam espoused and practiced there as well. Theirs are complex societies.

That’s the point. America is a complex society, too. But let’s cut the nonsense that this is just our problem and the only issue is how we clean up our act. That Cairo protester is right: We should respect the faiths and prophets of others. But that runs both ways. Our president and major newspapers consistently condemn hate speech against other religions. How about yours?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/opinion/friedman-look-in-your-mirror.html?smid=tw-share

سنا ہے جنگلوں کا بھی کوئی دستور ہوتا ہے
سنا ہے شیر کا جب پیٹ بھر جانے
تو وہ حملہ نہیں کرتا
ہوا کی تیز جھونکے درختوں کو ہلاتے ہیں
تو مینا اپنے گھر کو بھول کر
کوے کی انڈے کو پروں میں تھام لیتی ہے
سنا ہے گھونسلے سے
جب کوئی بچہ گرےتو
سارا جنگل جگ جاتا ہے
ندی میں باڑھ آجانے
کوئی پل ٹوٹ جائے
تو کسی لکڑی کی تختےپر
گلہری سانپ چیتا ور بکری
ساتھ ہوتے ہیں
سنا ہے جنگلوں کا بھی کوئی دستور ہوتا ہے
خداوند جلیل و معتبر دانا بینا و منصف اکبر
ہمارے شہر میں اب
جنگلوں کا ہی کوئی دستور نافذ کر

The manner in which the Salafist-associated Egyptian television channel al-Nas and its televangelist, Sheikh Khalid Abdullah televised the till then obscure video suggests that the idea was to inflict maximum political damage on US-Arab/Muslim relations as well as to gain political ground lost to their domestic rivals, the Muslim Brotherhood. The role al-Nas television and Abdullah played in disseminating the nasty video has conveniently been ignored by those bent upon burning US diplomatic missions and killing its diplomats.

Up until al-Nas televised the video almost no one had heard of it and with merely a handful of online hits, its developer Morris Sadek aka Sam Bacile and his backers were clearly failing in what they had set out to do.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20129\20\story_20-9-2012_pg3_2

@Bashir Ahmed, agar ham ne islami Nizaam nafiz kia hota to hamen janglon k dastoor ki zaroorat na parti.

This blog is full of lies and sectarian bias. translations are malafide and facts have been distorted. what a pity that some people calling themselves muslims will go to such extents to satisfy their own base desires and wishes

Complaint Against Egyptian TV Host Who Aired ‘Innocence of Muslims’ Raises Free Speech Issue
by Mike Giglio Sep 21, 2012 4:45 AM EDT
A legal complaint against the Egyptian TV host who aired ‘Innocence of Muslims,’ claiming that his show created unrest and sectarian tension, has prompted a defense that appears to cite freedom of expression—which the host has been railing against.
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Khaled Abdullah seems an unlikely person to find himself facing accusations of religious crimes. The top-billed host on al-Nas, a TV channel popular with Salafists, he is one of the country’s best-known Islamist personalities—and one of its most controversial too, famous for delivering inflammatory rhetoric with a finger-pointing flare. It’s Abdullah who is usually the one leveling charges of offending the faith.

This was the case on Sept. 9, when the host decided to air a clip of an obscure film called Innocence of Muslims on his show. The film centered on a take-down of the Prophet Muhammad, whose very depiction is considered a red line by many Muslims. It was painfully low-budget and amateurish, available only on YouTube. Until it appeared on Abdullah’s show, in fact, according to an in-depth report by McClatchy news service, not many people had paid it any mind.

That changed once Abdullah stepped into the mix. Prefacing the airing by warning his audience that the clip would be controversial—“No other TV channels would do this,” Abdullah said. “Respectable media should bring this out”—he channeled his trademark outrage against the film, which quickly began to go viral on the Internet.

Three days later, anger took hold on Cairo’s streets. Demonstrators stormed the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, tearing down the American flag, then spent subsequent days clashing with police. Similar protests, often violent, soon spread throughout the Muslim world—one, in the Libyan city of Benghazi, led to an attack that took the life of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens.

This week, Egypt’s general prosecutor issued arrest warrants for eight people over the film—including seven Egyptian Coptic Christians thought to be behind the project. The move was seen as symbolic, with its targets all believed to be living abroad. But the nature of the charges—which include harming national unity and insulting religion—still sent a powerful message.

One liberal activist is now trying to send a message of his own. On Thursday, Amr Imam, a Cairo lawyer, filed a legal complaint of a similar bent—but this one has Abdullah in its sights.

In the complaint, Abdullah is accused of using his Sept. 9 show to create sectarian tension and instigate unrest. He could face jail time if convicted, but Imam says he doesn’t expect a legal win. Instead, he seems more concerned with making a point—that someone who uses religion as a weapon could just as soon find it used against himself. “This is a way of accusing him of insulting religion,” Imam says.

The complaint alleges that the furor surrounding the film has resulted in a blowback against Egypt’s Coptic Christians, who make up an estimated 10 percent of the population. It cites three additional men for related crimes—Abdullah’s co-host on the day the film was aired, another controversial religious personality accused of burning a Bible during the embassy protest, and a sheikh who allegedly uploaded the film to his YouTube channel. In seizing on the film, the complaint states, Abdullah and the others “instigated and committed blasphemy and discrimination.”

The complaint wants to make a point—that someone who uses religion as a weapon could just as soon find it used against himself.
On his Sept. 9 show, Abdullah attempted to head off any accusations such as Imam’s, making sure to mention that the Coptic Church had condemned the film, as the McClatchy report notes, because “some will say we are inciting violence against Copts to create sectarianism.”

And he dismissed any talk of legal action when word of Imam’s attempt at litigation first emerged. “Religious figures have a say in political matters as well. Their opinions exceed the walls of mosques. But when people do not like what we have to say, they file a lawsuit. How is this democracy?” he told Daily News Egypt earlier this week.

Some observers have noted that Abdullah’s defense sounds something like an argument for freedom of expression, even where blasphemy is concerned. “In presenting the video, the broadcasters explained that they spread offensive speech because the public needed to be informed of in injustice,” author and NPR Morning Edition co-host Steve Inskeep wrote for The Atlantic. “In other words, al-Nas was using the freedom of speech in the same way it is exercised in other countries, including those in the West. Exposing outrages is a central role of the free media, after all.”

Imam argues that this is the kind of freedom of expression that Abdullah and others who have seized on the film have been railing against. And he paints his legal move as a way to voice the frustrations of many of his fellow liberals who have despaired over the channeling of religious passions in Egypt’s public discourse—which he says came to a head with the film. “Some Islamists use religion as a first line of defense in political confrontations,” he says.

But not everyone agrees that Imam’s intended message is the right one to send. “We’re defending freedom of expression,” says Ahmed Ezzat, the legal director for the Cairo-based Association for Freedom of Thought and Expression. “So we can’t press charges against others over something they expressed, even if we disagree.”

With Hassan el-Naggar in Cairo.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/21/complaint-against-egyptian-tv-host-who-aired-innocence-of-muslims-raises-free-speech-issue.html

Al-Nas (TV station)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Al-Nas

Launched 2006
Country Egypt
Headquarters Cairo
Al-Nas (Arabic: قناة الناس‎) (meaning “The People Channel”) is an Egyptian Islamist television station founded in January 2006 and broadcast from Cairo.
Al-Nas drew worldwide attention in September 2012, when host Sheikh Khalad Abdalla played a clip of Innocence of Muslims a few days prior to the 2012 diplomatic missions attacks.[1][2][3]
It was founded by Saudi Arabian investor Mansour bin Kadsa (alt. Mansur Bin Kadasah), first playing Arabic pop songs and dream interpretation shows, but with a few months it began converting into a religious channel, bringing well known Islamic preachers to the screen regularly.[4][5]
Salafi scholar Muhammad Hussein Yacoub also appears on the channel, and also worked to successfully ban all female presenters from the channel.[4][5] Abu Ishaq Al Heweny (alt. Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni) also appears, and helped ban the music and women, asserting that women’s appearance on the screen was a great sin.[5]
[edit]References

^ http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/09/egyptian-outrage-peddler-who-sent-anti-islam-youtube-clip-viral/56826/
^ http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/obscure-film-mocking-muslim-prophet-sparks-anti-u-s-protests-in-egypt-and-libya/
^ http://world.time.com/2012/09/13/the-agents-of-outrage/2/
^ a b El-Sayed, Mohamed (4 March 2010). ‘Screens to heaven’, Al-Ahram Weekly
^ a b c (26 June 2007). Radical religious Al-Nas TV gains influence in Egypt, Arab Media & Society
[edit]External links

http://www.alnas.tv – website

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nas_(TV_station)

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/988/feature.htm

http://www.arabmediasociety.com/index.php?article=273&p=0

Radical religious Al-Nas TV gains influence in Egypt

BBC Monitoring

Analysis by Muhammad Shukri of BBC Monitoring on 26 June

Al-Nas (The People) TV, an Arabic-language religious satellite TV channel which broadcasts 24 hours a day from the Media Production City in 6 October City in Egypt, has mesmerized Egyptian and Arab viewers generally.

A few months after its launch in January 2006 as a station focusing on social and entertainment content, the channel’s administration decided to turn it into a Sunni religious TV, a move that has attracted millions of viewers to the channel in Egypt and across the Arab world.

The channel is owned by Saudi businessman Mansur Bin Kadasah and is managed by Atif Abd-al-Rashid.

Programmes
The channel presents a variety of religious programmes focused on the precepts of Islam and the teaching of the Koran.

The best known programmes are Fadfadah (Heart-to-Heart Talk), Sabah al-Iman (Morning of Faith), Duniyah wa Din (Life and Religion), Ma’a al-Nas (With the People) and Al-Tariq Ila al-Janna (The Way to Paradise). The channel also presents a programme called Bursat al-Iman (Market of Faith), in which Islamist-oriented economists discuss economic topics from an Islamic perspective.

Phone-in programmes, such as Fatawa (Fatwas), are also carried on the channel to answer questions from viewers about religion, society, the economy and other topics. The duration of the programmes ranges between one and two hours.

Popular preachers
Most of the preachers who appear on Al-Nas TV are well known on the Egyptian scene. They include Muhammad Hassan, Safwat Hijazi, Salim Abu-al-Futuh, Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni, Muhammad Husayn Ya’qub and Mahmud al-Masri, who are known as hard-line Salafi shaykhs.

Before joining the channel, most of these preachers used to give religious sermons at mosques which were attended by a large number of people.

Their sermons are recorded on tapes and widely sold in kiosks and shops. But the launch of the channel has provided those preachers with a great opportunity to take their message to a greater number of viewers in Egypt and in the Arab and Islamic world.

The preachers are observed to steer clear of politics. They focus instead on the teachings of Islam, how people should respect God through their deeds and relationships, and how they should prepare themselves for the afterlife.

Some indirect reaction to developments in the Arab world can, however, be observed at the conclusion of their sermons, when they usually pray to God to protect and strengthen the Islamic nation and make it united, referring to the situations in the Palestinian territories, Iraq and Lebanon.

The appearance of these widely-known preachers on the station has played a key role in attracting such a large number of viewers, who tend to trust those preachers, given that they are not affiliated to the government, and are not graduates of Al-Azhar, the official religious institution, seen as supporting government policies.

Growing influence, government reaction
“A screen that takes you to Paradise” is the logo of the station. It appears between programmes and sounds very attractive to Muslims. The station has apparently become the talk of the street. People from various segments of society can be seen discussing what was broadcast on Al-Nas the previous night. A very great number of SMS messages can be seen on the bar of the TV screen, praising the TV and the preachers for their role in raising the awareness of the people about their religion. Callers from Egypt and several Arab countries participate in call-in programmes to ask about what is halal (religiously permissible) and what is haram (religiously impermissible).

The growing influence of the channel and the appearance of those preachers on its screen seems, however, to have raised the hackles of the Egyptian government, which has unleashed an attack against the channel through its affiliated religious clerics.

Egypt’s Mufti Shaykh Ali Jum’a was quoted some months ago as describing the satellite TV’s preachers as unprofessional. However, the channel has moved to further widen its influence by launching a website, http://www.alnas.tv, which provides several services, including live streaming and schedules of the programmes.

Objectives
On its website, the channel explains that its aims are to “serve the nation and spread religious and worldly knowledge” and “present distinguished Islamic and social media”. It stresses that its policies are based on “not violating the teachings of the true tolerant religion of Islam” and “respecting all segments of society and Islamic sects and fiqh [jurisprudence] schools”. The channel also says it “addresses ordinary people and takes an interest in the concerns of the masses”, emphasizing that it depends, for its operating expenditure, on “commercials” and “phone calls”, and that it does not “accept any donations”.

Female presenters dismissed
In a controversial step that has further demonstrated the Salafi (hardline) orientation of the TV, the channel’s administration in August 2006 decided to dismiss all its female presenters, including those who were veiled. Egyptian independent daily Al-Misri al-Yawm at the time quoted an anonymous source at the channel as saying that the decision had come in response to the wish of Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni, a prominent Egyptian Salafi preacher, who agreed to present programmes on the TV provided that the female presenters were suspended because, according to him, the voice of a woman is “awrah” (private, and should not be exposed) and her appearance on screen is a great sin.

Atif Abd al-Rashid, the channel’s director, was quoted by the same daily as saying that the decision had come mainly in response to the wishes of viewers and some channel preachers. “I am not against a woman appearing on screen. The evidence is that some commercials in which women appear are still carried in some programmes. My view is that the appearance of a preacher or a female doctor giving knowledge beneficial to people is better than a female presenter asking guests questions,” Abd al-Rashid told the daily.

Al-Nas “danger”, Israel wants it shut down
According to the World Islamic Media Organization’s website, the Israeli press some months ago launched a sharp attack on Al-Nas TV, describing it as a “danger” to the state of Israel. The Israeli press claimed that the TV incites children to attack Jews and declare war on them. The Israeli press and websites said that Al-Nas TV follows the same line as the Lebanese Hezbollah-affiliated Al-Manar TV. An Israeli news website quoted some parts of a children’s programme presented on Al-Nas, saying that the programme urges children to seek martyrdom and to hate Jews. The Israeli press further claimed that Al-Nas TV is funded by hard-line and “terrorist” groups, and it must therefore be shut down.

It is noteworthy that it was on Al-Nas TV that Egyptian preacher Safwat Hijazi issued a controversial fatwa in which he allegedly permitted the killing of Israeli Jews in Arab countries and Palestinian territories. Although the preacher later retracted his fatwa, stressing that it had been misunderstood, the Egyptian Ministry of Endowments issued a decision suspending his preaching licence. He also faced legal investigation over the fatwa.

The channel is broadcast on Nilesat 102 at 7 degrees west; frequency 11919 MHz; polarization horizontal; symbol rate 27500; FEC 3/4.

Its website is http://www.alnas.tv

Source: BBC Monitoring research 26 Jun 07

http://www.arabmediasociety.com/index.php?article=273&p=0

Obscure Film Mocking Muslim Prophet Sparks Anti-U.S. Protests in Egypt and Libya
By ROBERT MACKEY and LIAM STACK

Video of Egyptian protesters on the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo ripping the American flag apart.
¶Our colleagues in Cairo have more on these events in a more recent news article.

¶Updated | 8:13 p.m. Angered by reports in the Egyptian media that members of the Coptic Christian diaspora in Washington had produced a crude film mocking the Muslim prophet, protesters climbed the walls of the United States Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and tore down the American flag. Later, a Libyan security official told Reuters that armed militiamen had attacked the United States consulate in Benghazi, killing a staff member.

¶A a 14-minute trailer for the English-language film, which was posted on YouTube in July, attracted little attention until last week, when a version dubbed into Arabic was posted on the same YouTube channel and then copied and viewed tens of thousands of times more. (The Arabic version was removed from the filmmaker’s YouTube channel after this post was originally published.)

¶Although there was initial confusion about who made the film, The Wall Street Journal reported that the drama, titled “Innocence of Muslims,” was produced and directed by an Israeli-American, Sam Bacile, a California real-estate developer who called Islam “a cancer,” in an interview. Mr. Bacile told The Journal that he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors and shot the two-hour movie in California last year.

¶Last week, an Egyptian-American Copt known for his broadsides against Muslims drew attention to the trailer in an Arabic-language blog post and an e-mail newsletter in English publicizing the latest publicity stunt of the Florida pastor Terry Jones, reviled in the Muslim world for burning copies of the Koran. Reached by telephone in Florida, a representative of Mr. Jones seemed unaware of the film, but hours later the pastor sent The Lede a statement by e-mail in which he complained of the attack on the embassy in Cairo and announced plans to screen the trailer for the film on Tuesday night. He said that it “reveals in a satirical fashion the life of Muhammad.”

¶The Coptic activist, Morris Sadek, did not respond to a request for an interview, but he is an ally of Mr. Jones and his blog post features a photograph of the two men at a tiny, anti-Islam protest outside the White House in June. Later, he told The Associated Press that he planned screenings of the film.

¶Although Mr. Sadek never claimed in his e-mail promoting Mr. Jones to have produced the movie — which dramatizes the life of Muhammad, incorporating scenes based on slurs about him that are often repeated by Islamophobes — three days after he passed around a link to the film’s trailer, a Cairo newspaper reported that the leader of an Egyptian political party had “denounced the production of the film with the participation of vengeful Copts, accompanied by the extremist priest Terry Jones.”

¶The same day, a scene from the film — in which an actor playing a buffoonish caricature of the prophet Muhammad calls a donkey “the first Muslim animal” — was broadcast on the Egyptian television channel Al-Nas by the host Sheikh Khaled Abdalla.

Video of a scene from a film mocking the Muslim prophet as shown on Egyptian television Sunday.
¶Last year, the Egyptian-British journalist and blogger Sarah Carr wrote, “Sheikh Khaled Abdalla is part of a school of particularly shrill religious demagogues who turn every possible event into an attack on Islam.” She added that Sheikh Khaled regularly attacked Egypt’s Coptic Christian community.

¶The Egyptian news media reports appear to have drawn much more attention to the obscure film trailer, which was posted on YouTube by someone using the name Sam Bacile who failed to respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.

¶As Menna Alaa reported for The Egypt Independent, photographs and video posted online showed the protesters at the embassy in Cairo on Tuesday ripping the American flag apart and raising a black jihadist flag with the words, “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.”

¶The Cairene blogger who writes as Zeinobia reported there were “also pro-Al Qaeda chants unfortunately,” which was particularly striking on the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States.

¶Mostafa Hussein, a psychiatrist and blogger, pointed to a photograph that showed that the protesters had also scrawled the name Osama bin Laden on a sign outside the embassy.

Mostafa Hussein@moftasa
Ben Laden written on US embassy sign. Yeah right you are protesting an insult to Islam. twitpic.com/atkjvd /via @Mad_Darsh
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¶Zeinobia also reported that confusion about the origins of the film was so general that one group of fundamentalist Muslims was “calling for another huge protest at the embassy of Netherlands, demanding its closure because the Dutch government is producing an insult film against Islam.” Dutch diplomats responded with a statement denying these claims, she noted.

¶The Egyptian blogger who writes as The Big Pharaoh noted that one sign wielded by a protester outside the American embassy in Cairo even called for “the expulsion of Coptic Diaspora from Egypt.”

The Big Pharaoh@TheBigPharaoh
A protester demanding the expulsion of Coptic Diaspora from Egypt LOL pic.twitter.com/XIfTvPqc

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¶Before the protesters attacked the compound, the U.S. mission in Cairo issued said in a statement: “The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions.” Later, the embassy’s official Twitter feed condemned both the provocative film and the attack on the compound.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/obscure-film-mocking-muslim-prophet-sparks-anti-u-s-protests-in-egypt-and-libya/

http://youtu.be/lnM_NuW0r9M

Anti-U.S. outrage over video began with Christian activist’s phone call to a reporter

Egyptian protesters gather around a burning vehicle in downtown Cairo early Saturday before police cleared the area after days of demonstrations against a film ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad. | Anonymous/AP

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CAIRO — A crude video about the Prophet Muhammad that triggered an unprecedented outbreak of anti-American protest last week moved from being a YouTube obscurity in the United States to a touchstone for anger across the world through a phone call less than two weeks ago from a controversial U.S.-based anti-Islam activist to a reporter for an Egyptian newspaper.

Morris Sadek, a Coptic Christian who lives in suburban Washington, D.C., whose anti-Islam campaigning led to the revocation of his Egyptian citizenship earlier this year, had an exclusive story for Gamel Girgis, who covers Christian emigrants for al Youm al Sabaa, the Seventh Day, a daily newspaper here. Sadek had a movie clip he wanted Girgis to see; he e-mailed him a link.

“He told me he produced a movie last year and wanted to screen it on Sept. 11th to reveal what was behind the terrorists’ actions that day, Islam,” Girgis said, recalling the first call, which came on Sept. 4. Sadek, a longtime source, “considers me the boldest journalist, the only one that would publish such stories.”

Girgis said he watched the movie and found it insulting. He didn’t want to write about it. But Sadek called Girgis back and urged him to, telling him he could not deny that the movie existed.

Two days later, Sept. 6, Girgis published a three-paragraph article, calling the movie “shocking” and warning it could fuel sectarian tensions between Egyptian Christians and Muslims. Girgis concluded that the video “is just a passing crisis that doesn’t affect the bond between Muslims and Copts.”

In hindsight, that sentiment seems wildly optimistic. Five days later, thousands of Egyptians stormed the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and burned the American flag while as many as 125 armed men overwhelmed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, killing the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. Three days after that, protests in 23 countries included the sacking of the German embassy in Sudan and the burning of the American School in Tunisia.

Whether the Benghazi attack was linked to anger over the video remains uncertain – witnesses have said there was no protest preceding the attack – but the trauma of those deaths will likely scar U.S. perceptions for years, and while Saturday seemed calm across the region, the U.S. State Department made clear it fears the violence has not ended. In a statement, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the Obama administration remained concerned about developments in Sudan.

“We have requested additional security precautions as a result of yesterday’s damage to our embassy.,” she said. “We are continuing to monitor the situation closely to ensure we have what we need to protect our people and facility.”

Sadek did not respond Saturday to requests for comment.

How Grigis’ short item spread is a reminder of how interconnected the world has become. An Islamic web forum picked up Girgis’ story the day after it was published. Girgis’ newspaper also ran an interview that day with Wisam Abdel Warith, the head of a television station, the Wisdom, that’s affiliated with the ultra conservative Salafist strain of Islam.

When asked about the movie, Warith urged the leaders of Egypt’s Coptic community to condemn the movie, though he gave no indication he had seen it.

“The Church has to reveal its position clearly,” Warith said. “Either it disclaims itself from those who produced the movie or it remains silent and that means they condone it.”

By Sept. 8, other newspapers started picking up the story. Al Youm al Sabaa ran another story, this time noting that Egyptian politicians criticized the movie.

But the story remained off the front pages, still considered a local piece about an Egyptian in America fueling a sectarian crisis here, not about how the West treats Islam. That was the case until last Sunday, when Khalid Abdullah, the premier commentator for al Nas, a popular Salafist television station, aired the clip on his show.

Abdullah’s co-host, Mohammed Hamdy, introduced the topic by apologizing for what he was about to share with his audience. He noted that the Coptic Christian church had condemned the movie, Sadek and Florida pastor Terry Jones, who Girgis wrote backed the movie as well. Jones’ threats to burn Qurans inflamed Muslims in 2010 and 2011.

The Coptic condemnation was important to note, Abdullah said, because “some will say we are inciting violence against Copts to create sectarianism” by airing the clip.

The scene aired on al Nas blurred the face of the woman, in accord with Salafist beliefs that a man should not engage with an uncovered woman who is not his wife. But it left the man’s image clear, even though Muslims are forbidden to make any attempt to recreate Muhammad.

“What is this stupidity?” Abdullah asked, after the station aired the clip, concluding later that the creators of the film “want to inflame Egypt.”

Abdullah asked if anyone had apologized for creating such a film. His co-host responded, “An apology is not enough. I want them convicted.”

That same day, the Mufti of Al Azhar University, the chief source of Sunni Islamic thought in the Arab world, condemned the clip for “insulting the prophet” and noting it was produced by “Copts living abroad.”

Facebook pages started appearing, urging Islamists and youth to protest Tuesday, the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. Jones had called for putting Muhammad on trial that day in a web message, which is why, protest organizers said, they scheduled it for that day. Calls started coming into the U.S. embassy as well, catching everyone there by surprise.

“People were writing to us asking what the role of the U.S. government has in this video. What are you going to do? Who produced this?” said one U.S. official at the embassy who did not want to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “Our initial response was: What video?”

But as the embassy learned about the planned protests and the video’s content, officials there said, they immediately recognized the potential problem. They called leaders of the groups calling for the protest and apologized for the film, according to recipients of the call. They told them the film does not represent how Americans see Islam. In a statement posted on the embassy’s web page, they condemned the video.

But it was too late. Nader Bakkar, a spokesman for the conservative Islamist Nour Party and one of those who received a phone call from the embassy in the hours before the scheduled protest, said there was no going back. It was now a religious duty to defend the prophet, he said.

On Monday, a day before the scheduled protest, newspapers reported on the upcoming protest, saying it was called because Americans must pay for allowing such a movie to be produced. Major newspapers wrote about the Coptic church disavowing the movie. Islamic groups called for those who produced the movie to be punished. Bakker told another the newspaper, al Masry al Youm, there should be a law that forbids insulting the prophet. “This is the least” that needs to happen, he said.

By mid afternoon Tuesday, protesters started gathering in front of the embassy, chanting against the United States. By 5 p.m. some scaled the 12-foot wall protecting the compound, set a ladder against the flagpole and brought down the American flag. They replaced it with an Islamic one. A protester handed the American flag to those sitting on top of the wall, and they began tearing at it. Whatever remained of the flag was eventually burned.

Five hours later, in neighboring Libya, attackers launched an assault on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, killing Ambassador Christopher Stevens, tech officer Sean Smith and former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

The violence made the movie an international story, and Muslims across the world planned to gather Friday, after prayer, in response to a film most had never seen. At least seven people were killed and thousands of police officers were deployed around the world to protect U.S. sites.

Zaid Akl, a political analyst at Al Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, said the protests were about far more than the United States and its views on Islam. It was a means for frustrated Egyptians to rehash longstanding problems here – police abuse, unemployment, as well as defending the faith.

“These are same issues people protested in 2005 and 2010 and last year. Nothing has changed,” Akl said. “What is happening now is not conducive to any society-based dialogue.”

Girgis, for his part, never thought the story would go beyond Egypt.

“I regret publishing the story because of the events that took place in the Islamic world but I am a journalist, and it is news,” Girgis said. “If it wasn’t me publishing it, it would have been someone else.”

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/09/15/168613/anti-us-outrage-over-video-began.html#storylink=cpy

Sayyed Nakvisson
Dear friends,

This is a call to protest against the anti-Islam, anti-prophet, sacrilegious material that has been available….

not on Youtube, not on Google…

but in the mosques and libraries and homes of many many Muslims, for centuries…

When shall we raise voice against the filthy, dirty, perverse, sacrilegious ”narrations” about our prophet in the books like ”Sahih” Bukhari, Muslim etc… fabricated by the so-called companions and followers of Muawiyah, his mother Hind (the woman with unmentionable qualities) and Abu Sufiyan (please note that I didn’t call him Muawiyah’s father)?

Or was it the Zionists and the Americans who wrote up those narrations and added them to the Muslim books as part of a conspiracy?

Does anyone dare to mention this fact on the media that the source of all the contemporary attempts to desecrate the holy prophet are mostly taken from the centuries old and highly sanctified Islamic books? Any Shia Muslim or any moderate Sunni Muslim??? It needs a lot of courage to speak the truth. No one ever would. Too dangerous to spit it out bluntly. But what is the solution?

The easiest way out: blame it all on America and the Zionists.

Note: Before you jump to the conclusion, please be informed that I despise the hegemony and arrogance of the USA and the Zionists as much as you do, may be even more. And yes, I do not recognise the state of Israel.
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Sabah Hasan, Hassan Turi, Sadia Salam and 17 others like this.

Ali Abbas Taj This needs to be mentioned and discussed openly. This nasty movie has the same source as the nasty book by Salman Rushdie.

Mavia paid people to fabricate such hadeeth to elevate himself. Part of elevating himself was to take down the “Rutba” of Rasool Allah pubh.

The kings of Saudi are no different they and their paid mullahs are doing the exact same thing. The want to destroy the green dome of Prophet pubh and wipe out and love and reverence for our Prophet pubh.

In the end what they want is to prove that there maybe someone by the name of Mohammed but what is important is the Quran. We are most qualified because we are kings and since we are kings therefore Allah must want this.

This is flawed people have justified murder from the Quran in this manner.
September 20 at 6:45pm · Like · 10

Sayyed Nakvisson sure! and Muslims from all schools of thought, must have the open-mindedness to discuss this in a literary and scientific way and reject all the fabricated narrations that insult our prophet.
September 20 at 6:49pm · Like · 7

Ali Abbas Taj If the Pakistani Media will not talk about it we should publish about it in Western media.
September 20 at 7:01pm · Like · 4

Sayyed Nakvisson I shall write about it. Pakistani or any Muslim media will never. But the point here is not to insult the majority of Muslims.. the point we are trying to make here is that what is more important? Sanctity of the so-called Sahih books and the narrators.. or the sanctity of Rasulullah (pbuh).
September 20 at 7:05pm · Like · 5

Ali Abbas Taj I think some Pakistani Media will publish it. We should have Urdu translation.
September 20 at 7:09pm · Like · 3

Sayyed Nakvisson will do!
September 20 at 7:10pm · Like · 2

Mozan Rock Have you seen Movie ?
September 20 at 7:14pm · Like

Mozan Rock Was it Based on Hadiths ?
September 20 at 7:15pm · Like

Sayyed Nakvisson even if this particular film wasn’t, this does not make the authors and narrators of the filthy narrations in the hadith books, off the hook.
September 20 at 7:18pm · Like · 3

Sayyed Nakvisson there should be a post-humus trial of all those ”narrators” no matter how much glorified and lionised they are in the standard, unauthentic history
September 20 at 7:20pm · Edited · Like · 2

Ali Abbas Taj This is very important. Sayyed Nakvisson you should write in some detail. Most Muslims do not even know about this. So you have to kind of educate.
September 20 at 7:25pm · Like · 1

Sayyed Nakvisson that is right!
September 20 at 7:25pm · Like

Sayyed Nakvisson the article shud be ready in 3-4 days
September 20 at 7:26pm · Like · 4

Ali Abbas Taj If someone can help with Urdu translation that could be a big plus.
September 20 at 7:27pm · Like · 5

Mozan Rock I think I would be better to bann all Hadith’s Book. From Mauta to دار قطنی
September 20 at 7:29pm · Like

Sayyed Nakvisson The film ”Innocence of Muslims” has a number of scenes whose references have been taken from the Bukhari or Muslim I guess. Classical ones are as follows:

– In one scene the actor playing the prophet goes to Warqah bin Nofal, a Christian priest, and he helps him to ”make up” a religiomn. This clearly is taken from whaty the majority of Muslims believe that it was Waqah who told the prophet that he actually was a prophet and that he did not need to be scared and worried. Astaghfirullaha Rabbi Wa Atoobo Ilaih.

– In another scene, the actor says, no revelation has come so I am going to jump down from a mountain and take my life. This clearly is taken again from Muslim or Bukhari, where it is said that when Wahi did not come for some time, the prophet wanted to commit suicide.

La’nat ullah e Ala’l Munafiqeen wal Kaazibeen. May god’s curse be on those who have fabricated these narrations, even if they are venerated by some as the companions.

It is about time that the Muslims search their homes for the filth instead of putting all the blame on the enemies. The enemies get all the material from your books, oh Muslims. If you have to condemn someone, then first condemn those who wrote those books centuries ago.
September 24 at 10:05am · Like · 10

Sabah Hasan Mozan Rock, I have not seen the movie, but I have read Rusdhie’s ‘Satanic Verses’ and watched Rushdie on CNN at the time of that controversy where he said that one of his courses at Cambridge was Islamic Studies and that what he had written in the book was mentioned in “the most respected books of Muslims” (his words, not mine). He named the Sahihs of Muhammad ibne Ismail Bukhari and Muslim Naishapuri specifically.

In a discussion over a year ago on Samaa TV, on the suggestion of ASS Karachi chief Aurangzeb Faruqui that we should review all books and “throw away” (darya burd kr dain) the ones that insulted the Sahaba (r.a) or the Ummuhaat al-Momineen (r.a), the response of MWM’s Central Spokesman Maulana Hasan Zafar Naqvi was that this would require us to review all books over the past fourteen centuries including some that are very respected among a large section of Muslims. His suggestion was to “live and let live.”

It is noteworthy that only two Muslims have liked the initial (and some other) posts, and none has participated in this discussion.
September 24 at 7:00pm · Edited · Like · 8

Scheheryar Masood Stop explaining scenes, the main question is, why the huck the SOB played the role of Holy Prophet PBUH? How dare he?
September 24 at 6:56pm · Like · 1

Sabah Hasan Welcome to the discussion Scheheryar ….. as Sayyed Nakvisson has painstakingly made the point, Muslims themselves have opened the doors over the centuries.
September 24 at 6:59pm · Like · 8

Sabah Hasan The books named by Sayyed Nakvisson insult not only the Sahaba (r.a) and Ummuhaat al-Momineen (r.a), but also Allah, the Holy Prophet (sawas) and his Ahlebait (a.s). We have, however, never heard a whisper of protest – much less a call for qitaal – in this respect from the self-styled Sipah of the Sahaba or most other Muslims.
September 25 at 3:43am · Like · 6

Ali Abbas Taj Muslims clearly need to look at their own books more objectively. Try to find the roots of these problems rather than burning down the house.
September 25 at 5:17am · Like · 9

Najmul Hasan sayyed nakvisson you are such a nuisance little beast, ultimately you are disguise agent of US and Isreal. Intentionaly or unintensionaly, paid or unpaid you propogate US Ideology and their rubbish propagandas……

you dont have to mention at this criticle time such a controversial statement which can tear apart the strength of muslims unity and the love and affection they built amongst them !!!

you truth aint important to us, its just a piece of shit you do, what we are concern is that all such hadiths included in these books are not valid and its just a compilation of hadiths not its authencity, so watever its written its not correct our sunni brother and ulama do also believe !!!

My brother plz dont be a part of such things it will ruin your akhrirat… wassalam
September 25 at 5:40am · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan ali abbas taj you are good person hoosh k naqun loo yaar…..he is playing a US game here. think over it.
September 25 at 5:46am · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan hmm !! nice to hear from brothers, learn from the wise or wait for the time come n teach u….
September 25 at 8:31am · Like · 1

Natasha Mohammed Zai Najmul Hasan…….I agree with Sayyed Nakvisson, and that makes me a US or MOSSAD agent? Thats your theory?
September 25 at 9:07am · Like · 8

Najmul Hasan hahahaha !!!!!
September 25 at 9:13am · Like

Najmul Hasan Fact and controversial view that is favoring US or its allies, and harming muslims and their unity can only come from Pentagon or some embassy !!!!

My concern is just we muslims are about to become united against the power and that power wants us to keep disputing with each other…

so that we get less concern over the matter of US bullshit !!
September 25 at 9:15am · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan Sayyed Nakvisson your controversial statement have hurt alot, but I must submit my apology for going too harsh !!! plzz think over it ….
September 25 at 9:18am · Like · 1

Natasha Mohammed Zai Najmul Hasan…… Fact and controversial view that is favoring US or its allies, and harming muslims and their unity can only come from Pentagon or some embassy !!!!…………………………..now try changing ‘from Pentagon or some embassy’ to ‘ Muslims themselves’….and see if that does not sound right too.
September 25 at 9:25am · Like · 4

Mureed Khan Khattar i also agree with Sayyed Nakvisson, and by that virtue i am also US,Mosaad, Raw agent.:(
September 25 at 9:27am · Like · 5

Najmul Hasan well if they are the purchased muslims by US, you are definitely right…. I agree
September 25 at 9:27am · Like

Asif Mall Logican fallacy of “Adhominen” seems to be in action here; basically when we aren’t able to respond academically to an arguement, then we attack the person who presented the arguement by coming up with unbelieveable conspiracy theories of RAW, Mossad & CIA.
September 25 at 9:33am · Like · 7

Natasha Mohammed Zai Purchased by US, India, whoever…does not change the fact that Muslims kill more Muslims daily than do America or Israel or the ALiens.
September 25 at 9:36am · Like · 2

Asif Mall I am sure RAW, Mossad & CIA take highly intelleligent people in their ranks; please don’t insult these professional agencies by labelling every Tom, Dick & Harry to be their agent – simply because you don’t agree with someone’s arguement 😉
September 25 at 9:40am · Like · 3

Najmul Hasan Natasha Mohammed Zai you are right, but muslims are soo poor to buy a bread for their lunch, buying bullets is rich people job…..so its clearly known and offcourse proved that American are the prime financers of these terrorist who kills muslims more than their agencies do….
September 25 at 10:30am · Like

Najmul Hasan Asif Mall apart from these agencies there are people who are financed or are blackmail to fulfil the desires of US and its allies…

so offcourse you are who are cheap doesnt get poistion in CIA or Mossad….
September 25 at 10:32am · Like

Natasha Mohammed Zai Sorry, but i cant kill off any more grey cells by arguing further.
September 25 at 10:47am · Like · 1

Asif Mall I agree Natasha, so people are cateogory 5 brain washed and beyond help; no point wasting precious time on them.
September 25 at 2:37pm · Like · 1

Sabah Hasan Najmul Hasan what in your esteemed opinion shall be a good time to face the truth stated by Sayyed Nakvisson?
September 25 at 3:45pm · Like · 4

Najmul Hasan hope my this clearification is a proper reply of your question…Sabah Hasan.
September 26 at 4:30am · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan M grateful to you for asking the question of time !!!!

Right now my opinion that I mentioned above was not time firstly, my concern was using the fact to shelter US & Isreal ….

At this time you know why muslims are in this large number on earth, because of the compromises of Holy prophet (s.a.w.w) if he has been avoiding munafiqeen and mushkireen (that entered in the world of Islam just to safeguard themselves or have malicious intensions).. so you wouldn’t have found muslims in such a large quantity on earth…

Coming back on your question about time, it is the right time to address this fact but not by us my dear, this is ridiculous. The fact will be studied and will be pointed out by their own generation and I have been evident of this, it happens. And in this case we will be more united. After that we wil have chance to tell our awaken muslims about the sacrifices of bibi fatima, hazrat ali, imam hasan and imam hussain and so on….

but sheltering US & Isreal is not tolerated…
September 26 at 4:37am · Like · 1

Euceph Ahmed Sayyed Nakvisson, do you mean to include the Nahjul Balaghah in your protest too, or is it just the Bukhari and Muslim you’re talking about?
September 26 at 5:46am · Like

Mohsin Saghir Bibi Ayesha said, “The Prophet used to place a pillow in my lap even though I would be menstruating, and then he would recite the Quran.” [Bukhari-Book of Bath pg 197 #292].
September 26 at 6:07am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir “A woman presented herself to the Prophet. He intently gazed at her from head to toe and then lowered his head.” (He was not interested in her.) [Bukhari-Book of Nikah 3:71 #113]
September 26 at 6:09am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir The Messenger (S) used to visit all nine of his wives every night. [Bukhari-Vol 3 pg 52 Book of Nikah, #34]
September 26 at 6:12am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir The Messenger (S) used to have intercourse with all of his wives in one hour of the day and night (without taking a bath) and these (wives) were eleven. The narrator tries to preempt an objection by stating that he had the (sexual) power of 30 men. [Bukhari-Vol 1 pg 189, Book of Bath #266]
September 26 at 6:13am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir The Prophet said that the best man amongst his followers is the one who has the greatest number of wives. [Bukhari-Vol 3:52 Book of Nikah #62]
September 26 at 6:15am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir Bibi Ayesha said to the Prophet, “Won’t you rather graze your camel onto a tree whose leaves have not yet been grazed?” ‘Arwa bin Zubair said that Ayesha meant she was the only virgin the Prophet had married. [Bukhari-Vol 3 Book of Nikah pg 55 #71]
September 26 at 6:16am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir After the fall of Khyber, people described the beauty of Safia Bint Hui, the new bride of a slain enemy soldier. The Prophet chose her for himself. On the way to Madina he camped and had intercourse with her. His companions did not know if she was a wife or a concubine. Later, a veil was drawn between her and the men-folk and they came to know that she was a wife. [Bukhari-Book of Sales and Book of Nikah 3:57 #78]. Elsewhere, the narrator of the wicked story states that Safia was initially given to Wahia Kulbi, but because of her beauty, the Prophet chose her for himself, and asked Wahia to pick another woman.
September 26 at 6:19am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir Bibi Ayesha said to the Prophet, “Ah! My head is bursting.” He said, “I wish it did and I would pray for your forgiveness.” Ayesha responded: “You want me to die so that you can spend the next night with another wife.” [Bukhari-Vol 3 pg 247 Kitab-ut-Tibb, The Book of Medicine, #626]
September 26 at 6:21am · Like · 1

Ali Abbas Taj Euceph Ahmed we should not try to make a false neutrality here. First of all Nahaj ul Balagah is not a book of Hadeeth. It is sermons and letters of Hazrat Ali A.S.

Second the purpose of the post is to academically and respectfully identify the reasons and inspirations behind the books and movies that come out disrespecting the Holly Prophet Pubh.

Unless we do this more books like “Rangeela Rasool”, Satanic Verses and movies like “The Innocence of Muslims” will continue to damage the “hurmat” of our Prophet.
September 26 at 6:23am · Edited · Like · 6

Najmul Hasan well done Mohsin Saghir you are very innocent too !!!! I want to say something people fear innocent people wont understand…
September 26 at 6:28am · Like

Ali Abbas Taj We should also be extremely careful. While trying to identify and demonstrate the reasons behind this, we should not disrespect or alienate any one. Hazrat Ayesha A.S. was Umm Ul Momineen and respected by all.

The shia Marajae are very clear on this point.
September 26 at 6:29am · Like · 5

Ali Abbas Taj Why can we not discuss this and respect Umm Ul Momeineen at the same time? Perhaps these are false Hadeeth that defy logic for the most part and TRUELY need to be excluded.
September 26 at 6:31am · Edited · Like · 5

Mohsin Saghir yes sure we all respect Bibi Ayesha (ra) very much. But what do u think that Bukhari etc r respecting Bibi?
September 26 at 6:31am · Like · 6

Mohsin Saghir Sahi Bukhari is the major source of insult of Holy Prophet and others. So being a muslim we should accept that fact …..
September 26 at 6:33am · Like · 7

Ali Abbas Taj Well I don’t think we should condemn an eminent book of Hadeeth either. Just the Hadeeth that are nonsensical and against the spirit of Quran need to be expunged.

It has to be done by mutual consent of Ulema.
September 26 at 6:37am · Edited · Like · 5

Ali Abbas Taj Of course what we need more than anything else is Unity of Shia and Sunni as well as all Pakistanis.

And unity of all Muslims worldwide.

This cannot truly happen unless we reflect and reform without prejudice and with an open mind.
September 26 at 6:44am · Like · 4

Ali Abbas Taj Shia and Sunni United Vs. Nasibis
http://criticalppp.com/archives/228889
September 26 at 6:44am · Like · 2

Mohsin Saghir Ali Abbas Taj i agree with u but ignorance is itself a big problem of our so called Muslim Nation. There are many for those respect n honor of Bhkhari is important and there are also many those even did not touch Bukhari but would come out to defend that book. That is problem of our society.
September 26 at 6:46am · Like · 6

Ali Abbas Taj Ignorance is a problem one that we have overcome with knowledge. Positively through social media and our writings, videos and any other means.

We have to do this keeping the “hurmat” of our religion while peacefully living with all other religions.

Especially our brothers of the book or Ahl e Kitab brothers and sisters.

The closest cousins of Muslims are Christians by far. While Muslims wait for Mahdi a.s. together we wait for Jesus a.s.

We can invite each other to each other’s faith and/or live together in peace like brothers and sisters while we wait for Jesus a.s. to set the record straight.
September 26 at 6:51am · Like · 5

Mohsin Saghir Tell me how many of Muslim World read ”The Satanic Verses”? i think very few. All of us responded on ”suni sunai’. The most problematic part of rushdi book was quoted from an Islamic book of “Sirat Ibn-e-Ishaq”. That is 1st book of Holy Prophet’s biography and write down in near 140 hijri. All of us condemned Rushdi but no one tried to expose the source of insult.
September 26 at 6:54am · Edited · Like · 9

Asif Mall The controversial movie maker seems to look like an innocent child after reading what the Hadith narrators have written about the Prophet – as quoted above by Mohsin Saghir.
September 26 at 6:58am · Like · 2

Mohsin Saghir if we will show our Holy Prophet to the world through the eyes of Bukhari etc then b sure u me or anyone else can’t stop the stream of isult. If we really want to stop it then show real n true face of our beloved Holy Prophet to the world through the pure eyes of our Holy Imams. That is only solution.
September 26 at 7:00am · Like · 3

Ali Abbas Taj Mohsin Saghir with social media you have a platform. Write a blog piece based on above discussion without disrespecting anyone. Simply to speak the truth about Holy Prophet.

Simply to stop this nonsense, put in in few words so people can read it. Preferably in Urdu and English.

Simply for peace.
September 26 at 7:01am · Like · 2

Ali Abbas Taj I promise that it will be circulated widely.
September 26 at 7:02am · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir Ali Abbas Taj i agree with u n i will try to do so.
September 26 at 7:10am · Like · 2

Sky Blue AN APPEAL : These have been contentious issues now for centuries ; issues that have kept the Ummah divided. There is a need to discuss them BUT please realize that present times are NOT appropriate for touching and discussing these contentious issues. The society is already charges and polarized on sectarian lines. What we need is unity among various sects and various religions in Pakistan. I beg everyone to please keep these contentious issues for a later time when Insha Allah we have the proper environment to discuss them. Till then we can restrict these issues to our personal study with the overall view that those who hold a different view too are adherents of all the basic principles of Islam. Please do not contribute to further polarization and hence violence. Bhaiyo Behno, Khuda ka khauf karain.
September 26 at 7:34am · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan Sky Blue Strongly Support your statement….
September 26 at 7:58am · Like

Ali Abbas Taj I am not sure if I agree @sky blue and Najmul Hasan. This post is only to do with the Prophet PUBH and why such slanderous books are written and movies made?

Why is it necessary to make this sectarian?

Why is it not possible to have a intelligent respectful discussion like good Muslims?

There is nothing and no one more dear to Muslims than Prophet Mohammed. Otherwise there is no Islam. These are not contentious issues, this is s NASIBI conspiracy to degrade Prophet Mohammed so the level of the king can be elevated.

This is still going on today.

IF you do not address it, it will only get worse.
September 26 at 8:54am · Edited · Like · 2

Ali Abbas Taj Sky Blue if this keeps going on social media will not wait for an appropriate time to clear the facts and everyone with a camera and an agenda will be posting videos about Prophet Mohammed PUBH. The truth must be revealed about Prophet Mohammed PUBH and Nasibi Hadeeth must be rejected.

We must take the lead in intelligent discussion UPFRONT rather than have more of these movies and books come out.
September 26 at 8:57am · Like · 2

Ali Abbas Taj The MAIN problem is if some makes a movie or writes a book that is complete fabrication and total slander it is one thing.

However on the other hand if some one makes a movie or writes a book BASED on books that MUSLIMS consider THEIR books, it is a very serious problem.

In today’s fast paced world of information and ideas the longer you hide it under the carpet the more damage it does.
September 26 at 9:01am · Edited · Like · 3

Sayyed Nakvisson Yes, Sky Blue has a point. Exactly now may not be the time. But this is necessary to eradicate those false ahaadit from Muslims’ books. Otherwise, more and more sacrilegious films will be made and books written. These films and books have their sources in these Islamic history books. And as long as they are there, people will keep making use of them.
September 26 at 9:21am · Like

Natasha Mohammed Zai Mohsin Saghir…..ye gads!! Seriously, Bukhari narrates all this? My God, im actually stunned!!
September 26 at 9:34am · Like · 5

Sayyed Nakvisson I remember the year 1998 or so when I used to live in Pakistan and was studying at UET Lahore. One day I went to the library that had a large number of Islamic books. I picked up one volume of Bukhari and started reading random pages. Believe me, it had certain narrations about my beloved holy Prophet, my role model, my grandfather (being a Sayyed) that if they were attributed to my father, I would want to kill the narrator.
September 26 at 9:40am · Like · 6

Asif Mall What Mohsin Saghir has shared is just tip of the iceburg; there are many more such narrations. There is a real danger that someone will eventually make a movie based on these narrations, justifying his actions that he was simply quoting the authenic Hadiths of Muslims ):
September 26 at 10:21am · Like · 4

Najmul Hasan Firstly Sayyed Nakvisson made the comparison of US embassy with his compaign of removing blasphmous qoutes is unjustified entirely !!!
September 26 at 10:31am · Like

Najmul Hasan Secondly if some people feel they can remove the qoutes from the books by quaralling go a ahead practicaly on your own behalf, not taking any dominance or shelter of some fiqaa…..
September 26 at 10:32am · Like

Najmul Hasan Thirdly do not give shelter to your enemy the big saitan US and dont create hatred and disbribution amongst muslims…..
September 26 at 10:33am · Like

Najmul Hasan Sayyed Nakvisson must have made comparison of the orders of Imam Khomaini to Execute salman rushdi in this regard, but i dont find any such order or condemnation for the books you people are refering…so well said by Huma Hasan…
September 26 at 10:37am · Like

Najmul Hasan Generally Marajias do not condemn these books vocally, but their writings mention the inaccuracy found in them openly. Few examples tafsirs of Allama Tabatabai, Ayatollah Jaffar Subhani and Ayatollah Shirazi, Ghadeer by Ayatollah Subhani, and of course Peshawar Nights. just to name a few.
What I mean to say is that these are very technical things and need expertise. Common man better work for unity, not division.
September 26 at 10:38am · Like · 1

Sabah Hasan Najmul Hasan I agree with your point that we should oppose any efforts by the US-Zionist lobby to blaspheme against all the holy prophets (pbut) and other respected personalities. That effort, however, cannot be divorced of purging the Israiliaat introduced by such accursed persons as Ka’ab al-Ahbaar, many of which have found their way into the so-called ‘Sahih’ books as ‘ahadeeth’. Such fiction is the basis of much of what ‘Muslims’ like Rushdie and Co or ‘Christians’ like Pastor Terry Jones and Co have based their harangues on, no doubt encouraged by the same establishment that makes it a crime to eulogize Hitler and the Nazis.

On some points of fact:

* As clarified by Ali Abbas Taj above, ‘Nahj ul Balagha’ (The Peak of Eloquence) is not a book of ahadeeth, but a compilation of sermons, speeches and letters of Hazrat Ali (a.s) selected by Sayyed Razi. In any case, there has never been any hint that this compilation contains any blasphemous material.
* The main Shia book of traditions (ahadeeth) is ‘Kafi’, which, unlike the Sahaah-e Sitta (The Six Correct Books) is not claimed even by its compiler to be ‘correct’. It is just a compilation of traditions. In days when just being known as a Shia was enough to get one killed by the Abbaside ‘Muslim’ rulers, Muhammad ibne Yaqub Kulayni collected these traditions along with their sources and compiled them into a book. He made it clear in the preface that it was done on a best effort basis without claim to authenticity due to obvious constraints. hence even to this day the traditions in ‘Kafi’ are not accepted per se because of appearing in that compilation, but vetted on the basis of Ilm aar-Rijaal (Science of History of Narrators) by very, very learned religious scholars.

Attempting to cull prima facie blasphemous material is an act that should create unity among knowledgeable Muslims, and let others know about Real Islam much better. No time is inappropriate for such a sincere effort.
September 26 at 1:45pm · Like · 7

Sayyed Nakvisson Thank you Sabah Hasan for such a concise and comprehensive comment. But as you mentioned, the effort has to be sincere not with the motives to create a Fitnah among the Muslims. Nor should one try to insult others just because they happen to have a school of thought that believes in those books.

It has taken centuries for the Muslims to reach where they are today. So, even if a school of thought believes in some books as a whole that also contain blasphemous material, all the followers of that school of thought cannot be scolded for believing in those books, which they never have read.
September 26 at 7:56pm · Like · 2

Sky Blue Ali Abbas Taj : You said that there is nothing contentious about rejecting the authenticity of Sahih Bukhari other Siha-i-Sitta. I doubt if there are many issues as contentious as this one. I would reiterate my FIRM conviction that this is certainly NOT the right time to discuss these issues without risking further deepening of already existing divisions. I doubt the sagacity of bringing up these issues now when we have sectarian killings, every other person is either wajib-ul-Qatal or at least Kafir ; Pro- Mumtaz Qadri rally attracts 200,000 people and your worthy Railway Minister is tendering Taliban for “Rent a Murderer” service. These issues have survived contentious controversies for centuries and I am sure a discussion on them can certainly await another few year. This is the time to cool down society’s temperature, not raise them any further. In case there is a discussion on this issue, which I consider is further divisive, “aay Allah gawah rehna” I have registered my protest against it and will be out it.
September 26 at 8:17pm · Edited · Like · 3

Ali Abbas Taj You certainly have a point. Sky Blue
September 26 at 8:20pm · Like · 3

Sky Blue Ali Abbas Taj : Thanks.
September 26 at 8:21pm · Like · 1

Sabah Hasan Sky Blue, I shall repeat the question that I put to Najmul Hasan: what in your opinion shall be a good time to face the truth stated by Sayyed Nakvisson?

Another question: is the sanctity of Allah, His prophets (pbut), the Ahlebait (a.s), the Ummuhaat al-Momineen (r.a) and the Sahaba (r.a) more important or that of latter day scholars like Muhammad ibne Ismail Bukhari, Muslim ibne Hajjaj Naishapuri and Muhammad ibne Yaqub Kulayni and their compilations?

By debunking the blasphemous material against the holiest of the holy contained in the so-called Sahih books, shall we be providing ammunition to the likes of Rajpal, Rushdie and Terry Jones on the one hand and Qafri and Sipah-e Sahaba on the other, or doing the opposite?

If in this jehad even if one loses his temporal life shall he not be a martyr and thus be guaranteed a blessed eternal life in the nearness of His dear ones (pbut)?

In my very humble opinion, having already lost a millennium and a half, knowledgeable Muslims should not waste more time in procrastinating on these issues that have sullied the great name of Islam and continue to provide material to enemies of Allah to wage war against Him.
September 27 at 4:11am · Like · 2

Najmul Hasan Sabah Hasan I retreat with my earlier comment, Shia are rich of mujtahideen, Imam khomaini ordered rushdi to execute did he even pointed out anything about these books ???? (We believe Imam khomaini pioneer politician)

So we are guided and we follow ulaama who knows the sensivities of the things in details as said by Huma Hasan….

So we have to follow ulema rather than taking initiative by our own, kindly look and follow Wali e Faqih in this regard….
September 27 at 5:10am · Like

Najmul Hasan Generally Marajias do not condemn these books vocally, but their writings mention the inaccuracy found in them openly. Few examples tafsirs of Allama Tabatabai, Ayatollah Jaffar Subhani and Ayatollah Shirazi, Ghadeer by Ayatollah Subhani, and of course Peshawar Nights. just to name a few.
What I mean to say is that these are very technical things and need expertise. Common man better work for unity, not division.
September 27 at 5:14am · Like

Sabah Hasan Najmul Hasan, do guide me where any Muslim religious scholar has opposed efforts at culling out blasphemous material from any publication.

For the record, the fatwa of Imam Khomeini (ra) was that one who wrote what was contained in ‘Satanic Verses’ is an apostate. Will this fatwa cover only Mr. Rushdie or those who originally compiled that blasphemy?
September 27 at 5:40am via mobile · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan I am confident the fatwa was just for Mr.Rushdie and it is for Mr.Rushdie, we didnt get any update in this regard….

So if the leader isnt in protest of a thing, and that he is right not to be it…

Islam insist on thinking, think positively…..
September 27 at 5:44am · Like

Ali Abbas Taj Najmul Hasan if Marjas do not condemn it, it does not mean you cannot either.

In fact it can mean the opposite. Marjas may be in a sensitive position, you and I are not.
September 27 at 6:25am · Like · 3

Najmul Hasan Ali Abbas Taj then first we have to have istiftaa from concern marja website about this specific issue.

Its a universal issue not domestic so you must know the universal issues are discussed and ordered from maraja if needed…and if not required from maraja, u dont have to worry about….
September 27 at 6:35am · Like

Sabah Hasan Najmul Hasan, what is the basis of your certainty since the fatwa referred to the act and not to the person of Mr. Rushdie?

Since you have referred to the Shia Maraje’, it may be relevant that according to fiqh-e Ja’afari, while taqleed is wajib in furu-e deen, it is haraam in usul-e deen, which include Tawheed, Nabuwwah, and Imamah for which a Muslim is required to use his own intellect. The issues referred in this thread by Sayyed Nakvisson relate to Tawheed, Nabuwwah and Imamah, not to furu-e deen.
September 27 at 6:43am · Edited · Like · 2

Sabah Hasan ^ This would also be consistent with your point that “Islam insists on thinking” for oneself.
September 27 at 6:42am · Like · 1

Sky Blue Qalandar juz do harf-i-laillah kuchh bhi nahin rakhta :::Faqih-i-Shehr Qaroon hay lughat hai Hijazi ka …. …. … (Allama Iqbal)
September 27 at 7:23am · Like

Najmul Hasan well elaborated the furu and Usool e deen, believe is Usool right, but the act of Amarbilmaroof and nae az munkar is Furoo e deen…

hope this much reply is enough for your argument….
September 27 at 7:43am · Like

Najmul Hasan Sabah Hasan bhai
September 27 at 8:18am · Like

Sayyed Nakvisson I hate all those who attribute lies to my prophet, my role model, and also my grandfather, the holy prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). And even if this was my real father who did so, I would hate him and lash out at him. So, for me it doesn’t matter whether it is a Jew or Christian or atheist or Muslims’ caliph who has attributed lies to and inflicted insults upon the holy prophet, directly or indirectly. The only reason I do not argue with Sunni brothers is that they are ”Qaasir” and many of them love ahlulbayt also (please note I said ”also”).

I repeat my stance again, do this ”practically very difficult” exercise to eradicate the false ahaadith or make the Sunni brothers aware of them with a sincere intention. The aim should not be to insult the Sunni brothers but to help them. They also love the holy prophet and once presented with the reality they will themselves send laa’nat on their ”ulema” who wrote those books. Increase the awareness so that they themselves start to hate and take distance from the culprits instead of scaring the Sunnis off by confronting them.
September 27 at 9:37am · Like · 4

Sayyed Nakvisson Imam Hussain was standing in the battlefield of Karbala, looking to the enemy and crying with tears. When asked why he did so, he said: ”Because I see them (the enemy) going to hell.” We should follow Imama Hussain (as).
September 27 at 9:39am · Like · 2

Najmul Hasan Sayyed Nakvisson agar aap Taqleed k qail nae to agey koi behas hi nae, matlb aap khud mujtahid hain (or agar aisa hai tp apka koi amal thik hi nae) and in case you are a proper muqallid then instead of making so much noise, you must ask your relevant mujtahid for the compaign and thought you wanna transmit in the air…..
September 27 at 10:11am · Like

Najmul Hasan who not hate all those who attribute lies to my prophet, my role model, and also my grandfather, the holy prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). And even if this was my real father who did so, I would hate him and lash out at him. So, for me it doesn’t matter whether it is a Jew or US…..
September 27 at 10:13am · Like

Sayyed Nakvisson I was just going to say Namaaz. Oops. I forgot something. I should have asked my Marja before doing Wudhoo.
September 27 at 10:14am · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan off course u do ask your marja how to do wudhoo wats surprising in it, you ask your marjaa how to offer prayer moreover you do ask your marja how to eat, drink, bath, wear, and even how to enter the toilet how to sleep….you ask this all from marja and follow them if and only if you are a muqallid….means if you follow marja ….
September 27 at 10:17am · Like

Sayyed Nakvisson Sky Blue has a valid point. Let the dust settle and we shall see. But I am afraid an appropriate time will not come so soon. Because what sky blue calls ”sectarian killings” which in reality is ”shia killings” will not stop completely. They have continued for 1400 years in different parts of the Islamic world and will continue, unfortunately so. They will stop completely when the promised hour comes i.e. reappearance of Imam Mehdi.

As regards waajib ul qatl decrees, Shia Muslims never gave such a decree. According to Shia Muslims, even the worst wahabi/salafi and even Nasibis are Muslims and they have not declared any of them Kafir or Waajib ul Qatl ever. Shia Muslims have always tried to create a unity and harmony among different Islamic schools of thought.

Getting back to the point, I am afraid all these fake ahaadith will stay and keep providing raw material to more and more blasphemous movies and books, until the promised hour. So be ready for more insults to Islam and make a strategy of countering them. Because the enemies won’t stop, nor will the fake ahaadith disappear. Perhaps a pessimistic view, but this is my point of view.
September 27 at 11:10am · Edited · Like · 4

Sabah Hasan The acts of Rushdie and Co and Terry Jones and Co are blasphemous and condemnable. Then why have different standards when the same act is committed by compiler of a source book?

Had, God forbid, it been the belief of one sect that the sanctity of some books written by humans is greater than that of Allah, his prophets (pbut), the Ahlebait (as), the Ummuhat al-Momineen (ra) and the Sahaba (ra), the objecting to contents of books blaspheming would have been divisive. It is, however, just the opposite. All Muslims would agree to purge all sources that contain such blasphemy.

And Najmul Hasan this is not an exercise in amr bil marouf or nahi anil munkar but defence of sanctity of basic beliefs of all Muslims.
September 27 at 3:53pm · Like · 5

Sky Blue Sayyed Nakvisson : I used the word “sectarian killing” and not “Shia killing” because I generally avoid even the use of Shia, Sunni etc.
September 27 at 7:27pm · Like

Sabah Hasan Avoiding the use o a word will not change the reality, Sky Blue
Yesterday at 4:12am · Like

Ali Abbas Taj I see your motivation is noble Sky Blue but when we say sectarian killing it implies both side are equally killed, fact is that about 20,000 mostly educated elite of Shia have been massacred.

It is tantamount to genocide.

There comes a point when you have to call a spade a spade.
Yesterday at 8:13am · Like · 1

Sayyed Nakvisson Sky Blue we seem to be 180 degrees apart when it comes to the use of term referring to the killing of SHia Muslims in Pakistan. I am utterly against the use of the term ”sectarian violence” for the reason Ali Abbas Taj mentioned in his comment. For knowing about my stance and arguments in its support, please read my first ever blog (I have written very few).
http://www.nakvisson.blogspot.com/2012/03/sectarian-violence-or-gradual-genocide.html

‘‘Sectarian Violence’’ or Gradual Genocide of Shia Muslims? | Dr. Nakvisson
nakvisson.blogspot.com
Yesterday at 11:09am · Edited · Like · 1

Sky Blue Ali Abbas Taj : I agree Sayyed Nakvisson: So now we are not 180 degree apart.
Yesterday at 11:11am · Like

Sayyed Nakvisson 🙂 wow this was a very positive surprise Sky Blue given the general trend here. 🙂 And it went so quick!
Yesterday at 11:12am · Edited · Like · 3

Ali Abbas Taj I am not surprised when you engage with friends they listen. Good on you Sky Blue
21 hours ago · Like · 2

Danish Tahir Mohsin Saghir “Bibi Ayesha said to the Prophet, “Ah! My head is bursting.” He said, “I wish it did and I would pray for your forgiveness.” Ayesha responded: “You want me to die so that you can spend the next night with another wife.” [Bukhari-Vol 3 pg 247 Kitab-ut-Tibb, The Book of Medicine, #626]”.
i have personally check the said volume, page no and reference, but i haven’t found this hadith at all. on page 247 of vol 3, there is no book of medicine, but book of “Aqeeqa”, so @mohsin saghit, u should come clean and tell me, the exact reference of this hadith (from where u have read or heard this) and how u can post it on a social form without verifying it.
21 hours ago · Like · 1

Danish Tahir After the fall of Khyber, people described the beauty of Safia Bint Hui, the new bride of a slain enemy soldier. The Prophet chose her for himself. On the way to Madina he camped and had intercourse with her. His companions did not know if she was a wife or a concubine. Later, a veil was drawn between her and the men-folk and they came to know that she was a wife. [Bukhari-Book of Sales and Book of Nikah 3:57 #78]. Elsewhere, the narrator of the wicked story states that Safia was initially given to Wahia Kulbi, but because of her beauty, the Prophet chose her for himself, and asked Wahia to pick another woman.
now what should i call you Mohsin Saghir, what should i call you.
the exact text is reproduced as hereunder:
20 hours ago · Like · 1

Danish Tahir Narrated Anas:
The Prophet stayed for three days between Khaibar and Medina,
and there he consummated his marriage to Safiyya bint Huyai. I
invited the Muslims to the wedding banquet in which neither
meat nor bread was offered. He ordered for leather
dining−sheets to be spread, and dates, dried yoghurt and
butter were laid on it, and that was the Prophet’s wedding
banquet. The Muslims wondered, “Is she (Saffiyya) considered
as his wife or his slave girl?” Then they said, “If he orders
her to veil herself, she will be one of the mothers of the
Believers; but if he does not order her to veil herself, she
will be a slave girl. So when the Prophet proceeded from
there, he spared her a space behind him (on his she−camel) and
put a screening veil between her and the people.
20 hours ago · Like · 1

Danish Tahir these are just two examples that shows that you have misreported. i don’t know what to say now when someone posts without checking the references and that too such a sensitive material. i am truly speechless. Now i can understand why people in this thread talks about throwing all the books away. this is the idiocy at its supreme.
20 hours ago · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir Danish Tahir if u want live in state of deception then i have no objection. There r hundreds insulting hadiths in Bukhari, Muslim etc. And for ur kind information i m not compiler of these books, i just shared what Bukhari and Muslim wrote in their books. And one more thing i verified all hadiths, so don’t try to protect criminals.
19 hours ago · Like · 1

Danish Tahir I need the refernece, exact title of the book and the name of the translator. Unless i dont believe a word of u because i have personally check the two hadiths u mentioned in ur comments and they were not as u told. U added words and fabricated the events in the second hadith and the first one doesn’t exist at all. So if u r reproducing something on a social media which i claims to be false, then plz provide the refernces (source from where u copied these). Or if u dont have any then plz check the material u r goint to post on any media. Wont be commenting again unless the refernces are provided (waiting for them).
19 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Mohsin Saghir i shared many more hadiths, so check others if u can’t find one of them.
19 hours ago · Like · 1

Ali Abbas Taj The Bukhari also changes within editions so let us not fight about it, the point is to debunk the hadeeth that degrade the prophet.
13 hours ago · Like · 1

Najmul Hasan Muslims ahh !!!! Imam Zainul Abideen said: Our friends have given us great pain,by unveiling our secrets before the time. Even if they had taken meat from our body and have rosted and have presented us to eat it woudnt have pain that much: .

Danish Tahir I agree with you on this account and I really pray for such people who dont even have minds to think, what are they doing..

Moreover I would like to add, these people here are not representing any school of thought, Its all their personal statements and views…
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Danish Tahir Mohsin Saghir, if two hadeths that u have posted have been proved to be misquoted by you, then i don’t think, i m in need to check others because i won’t be able to believe anything u ll posting from now and onwards.
10 hours ago · Like

Habib Basravi This has been a very interesting discussion. In my opinion there will never be a better time to bring illogical narrations and ahadiths to surface and try to reason it’s authenticity and inner meanings. I am a follower of the Marjah from Iran/Iraq so pardon my biases. I believe Islamic jurisprudence to be best understood and applied by the Marjah’s in Iran and Iraq. I have a source (A student of the Marjah in Qum for the last 12 yrs). I would like to invite him to review the discussions above.
5 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Habib Basravi The time is right to bring all such ahadiths up for discussion. I think we have a good mix of educated people in this thread. So what could go wrong. We could beg to differ.
My humblest suggestions to those who have not read the Nahjul Balagha. Please do so, pick just a few sermons and a couple of letters. See if you will not walk away with awe. These are letters and sermons written by none other than Imam Ali (a.s). The Cousin and son in law of our Holy Prophet (PBUH). For iPhone users there is an app for Nahjul Balagha.
5 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Sabah Hasan I have cross checked the references given by Mohsin Saghir and found most of the quoted blasphemous ‘ahadeeth’ present in Sahih Bukhari.

I respect the prerogative of those who wish to reject the existence of this blasphemy against the Holy Prophet (sawas) in the primary source i.e. Sahih Bukhari without needing to check its existence. Perhaps they will also be as magnanimous when such material is quoted by the likes of Rajpal, Rushdie or Terry Jones.

I do not understand, that why liberal shias such as this writer can not get out of there shia biased. They try to justify and promote shia agendas. If you think there is no extremism in shai Islam than you are ignorant and blind. I am unable to find any shai so far who is liberal about shiaism. All the sectarian problems are not just funded by Arabs but also Persians. They are supporting and promoting sunnie genocides and they are totally crazy about Ali and his family. They actually worship Ali and his family. They are so extreme that they want to eat the stool of Imam to save their selves from hell fire. They use knives on little babies to morn for Hussain. They act like total crazy and blind when it comes to their rituals. You might want to see what do they say about certain things.

Ibn Babawaih al-Qummi reports the following Hadith in his book “Manlaa Yahdurhul-Faqeeh” (For Him Who Has No Access to A Scholar):

“His (the Imam’s) feces are far better smelling than the fragnance of musk.” [Reported by Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Sa’eed al-Kufi who narrated from Ali b. al-Hasan b. Fidaal, from his father from Abul-Hasan Ali b. Musa al-Ridha] Source: “Manlaa Yahdurhul-Faqeeh” (For Him Who Has No Access to A Scholar), vol.4, page 418, narration # 5914

And we also read what Grand Ayatollah Akhond Mulla Zainul-Abideen al-Galbaigani wrote in his book “Anwaar al-Wilayah”:

فليس في بول المعصومين ودمائهم وأبوالهم وغائطهم استخباث و قذارة يوجب الاجتناب في الصلاة ونحوها كما هو معنى النجاسة ، ولا نتن في بولهم وغائطهم بـل هـــمــا كالمــسك الأذفـــــــر ، بــــــــــل مــــن شـــــرب بولهم وغائطهم ودمهم يـــــحـرم الله عليه الـــنــار واســتــوجــب دخول الجنّة

“There’s nothing (impure) in the urine of the infallibles: their blood, urine and feces (are free of) any filth or dirtiness…nor there is any stink in their urine or feces, rather both are like the Musk. Nay, (in fact) whoever drinks and eat their urine, feces and blood, Allah forbids fire on him, and cause him to enter paradise…the urine and feces of the Imams doesn’t carry impurities or stench, but they are like musk, and whoever drank their urine and feces and their blood, Allah will make Hell fire Haram on them and their admission to Heaven becomes must.” (Anwaar al-Wilayah, p.440)

In the most reliable Shia book of Hadith, Al-Kafi, we read the following:

Abu Jafar said: “For the Imam there are 10 signs: He is born pure and circumcized….and if he farts the smell is of musk.” (Al-Kafi 1/319 Book of Hujja – Chapter on Birth of Imam)