Taliban style justice: Young girl lashed publicly in Swat !
Sharia Law in Swat, Pakistan. Video of Taliban publicly lashing a girl.
Video of girl’s flogging as Taliban hand out justice
Mobile phone movie shows that militant influence is spreading deeper into Pakistan
Declan Walsh
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 2 April 2009
A video showing a teenage girl being flogged by Taliban fighters has emerged from the Swat Valley in Pakistan, offering a shocking glimpse of militant brutality in the once-peaceful district, and a sign of Taliban influence spreading deeper into the country.
The two-minute video, shot using a mobile phone, shows a burka-clad woman face down on the ground. Two men hold her arms and feet while a third, a black-turbaned fighter with a flowing beard, whips her repeatedly.
“Please stop it,” she begs, alternately whimpering or screaming in pain with each blow to the backside. “Either kill me or stop it now.”
A crowd of men stands by, watching silently. Off camera a voice issues instructions. “Hold her legs tightly,” he says as she squirms and yelps.
After 34 lashes the punishment stops and the wailing woman is led into a stone building, trailed by a Kalashnikov-carrying militant.
Reached by phone, Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan claimed responsibility for the flogging. “She came out of her house with another guy who was not her husband, so we must punish her. There are boundaries you cannot cross,” he said. He defended the Taliban’s right to thrash women shoppers who were inappropriately dressed, saying it was permitted under Islamic law.
The Guardian received the video through Samar Minallah, a Pashtun documentary maker and anthropologist who lived in Swat for two years in the late 1990s. It has been passed between Swat residents by mobile phones.
Ms Minallah said the punishment had been inflicted within the last 10 days, following the signing of a controversial peace deal under which the provincial government ceded control of the valley’s judicial system to the militants.
“This video is being widely circulated because the Taliban want people to see it. They want to give the message that this is taking place after the peace deal because this is something they ideologically believe in,” she said.
Local sources including journalists and human rights workers, some of whom declined to be identified, confirmed the video was recent, although estimates of its timing varied between one and three weeks ago. The Taliban spokesman said it predated the peace deal.
Sher Muhammad Khan, an official in Swat with the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said: “They have committed so many atrocities since the peace deal. They have taken entire control of the district. There is nobody to control them; they decide disputes according to their whims.”
Since the 15 February deal, a hybrid of traditional and Islamic law has been operational in Mingora, the largest city in Swat district. The qazi courts, as they are known, are not operated by the Taliban but by a related political movement. They have a murky legal status because the changes have yet to be signed into law.
Floggings and other physical punishments have not been imposed in Mingora, where some residents have praised the system’s efficiency. However, in outlying districts, where government writ has been entirely crushed, a crude form of gun justice prevails.
The woman in the video, named as Chaand and believed to be aged 17, was punished in Matta, a district further up the Swat Valley.
Minallah and other sources said the girl was punished on suspicion of having had an illicit relationship with a married man. She did not receive a trial. “The whole case is based on the suspicions of one neighbour,” said Minallah.
The woman’s brother is among the men pinning her down, she added. “It’s symbolic that he does it with his own hands. It gives him honour in local society, that he has done it for the sake of religion.”
The Swat Valley is controlled by Maulana Fazlullah, a charismatic preacher who initially gained popularity through radio broadcasts, then seized control through gun battles, suicide attacks and intimidation of the local population.
Since the peace deal, women have been beaten for shopping unaccompanied in Mingora’s main market and dozens of girls’ schools remain closed, many of them bombed.
Fazlullah has sworn loyalty to Baitullah Mehsud, the overall Taliban leader from South Waziristan who claimed responsibility for last Monday’s eight-hour assault on a police centre in Lahore and has vowed to mount attacks in Washington.
On Wednesday a presumed American drone fired rockets at a compound controlled by his network, killing at least 14 people.
The effective surrender of government authority in Swat has caused great alarm across Pakistan and among western allies.Minallah said she feared Talibanisation would spread across Pakistan. “I have distributed this video because I feel people are in denial. They don’t want to believe what is happening.”
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نوعمر لڑکی کو سرعام کوڑوں کی سزا
صوبہ سرحد کے ضلع سوات سے پہلی مرتبہ ایک ایسی ویڈیو منظر عام پر آئی ہے جس میں حلیے سے طالبان معلوم ہونے والے افراد ایک لڑکی کو سرعام کوڑوں کی سزا دے رہے ہیں۔تاہم حکومت اور طالبان نے اس خاص واقعہ کی تردید کی ہے تاہم اس بات کی تصدیق کی کہ ماضی میں خواتین کو کوڑوں کی سزائیں دینے کے واقعات پیش آئے ہیں۔
موبائل فون سے بنائی گئی یہ دو منٹ کی ویڈیو اب سرعام دستیاب ہے۔ ویڈیو میں سرخ جوڑے میں ملبوس ایک جوان سال لڑکی کو دکھایا گیا ہے جسے زمین پر الٹا لِٹاکر کوڑے مارے جارہے ہیں۔
ویڈیو میں یہ بھی دکھایا گیا ہے کہ طالبان کے حُلیے میں ایک شخص لڑکی کو پشت پر کوڑے برسارہا ہے جبکہ ایک شخص اس کے پیروں اور دوسرے نے جسم کے اوپر کے حصے کو دبوچا ہوا ہے۔ اس موقع پر درجنوں افراد دائرے میں کھڑے اس منظر کو دیکھ رہے ہیں۔
سزا دینے والے افراد آپس میں پشتو زبان میں بات کرتے ہیں اور لڑکی چیختی چلاتی پشتو میں فریاد کرتی ہے کہ ’میرے باپ کا توبہ ، میرے دادا کا توبہ آئندہ ایسا نہیں کرونگی۔‘ وہ شدت درد سے بار بار التجا کرتی ہے کہ ’خدا کے لیے کچھ صبر کرو‘ مگر مارنے والا شخص کہتا ہے کہ ’تم نے کہا تھا مجھے ماردو مگر اب تو میرے پاس چھری بھی نہیں ہے۔‘
پندرہ سے زائد کوڑے مارنے کے بعد وہ لوگ لڑکی کو چھوڑ دیتے ہیں اور اٹھتے ہی لڑکی شٹل کاک برقعہ میں ملبوس نظر آتی ہے۔ اس وقت ان میں سے بڑی داڑھی والا ایک شخص اس سے قریب واقع ایک کمرے میں لے جاتا ہے۔ چیخ و پکار اور باتوں سے وہ تقریباً بارہ سے سترہ سال کے درمیان کی عمر کی معلوم ہوتی ہے۔
اس سلسلے میں دس کے قریب مقامی لوگوں سے رابطہ کیا گیا تو کافی مشکلات کے بعد انہوں نے صرف واقعہ کی تصدیق کی اور کہا کہ واقعہ سوات کی تحصیل کبل کے کالا کلی میں پیش آیا ہے۔ مقامی لوگ بظاہر خوف کی وجہ سے مزید معلومات دینے سے انکار کررہے ہیں۔ یہ بھی معلوم نہیں ہوسکا کہ لڑکی کون ہے اور انہیں کس بات پر سزا دی جارہی ہے۔
طالبان ترجمان مسلم خان سے رابطہ کیا گیا تو انہوں نے کہا کہ خواتین کو کوڑے مارنے کی سزا کا واقعہ حالیہ دنوں میں پیش نہیں آیا ہے۔ انہوں نے اس خاص واقعہ سے بھی لاعلمی کا اظہار کیا البتہ انہوں نے اس بات کی تصدیق کی کہ امن معاہدے سے قبل مولانا فضل اللہ کے حکم پر خواتین کو سزائیں دی جاتی تھیں۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ ماضی میں خواتین کو سرعام سزائیں نہیں دی گئیں بلکہ مولانا فضل اللہ نے حکم دیا تھا کہ خواتین کو جب بھی سزا دینی ہو تو انہیں کمرے کے اندر کوڑے مارے جائیں۔ مسلم خان کے بقول انہوں نے ماضی میں ایسی خواتین کو سزائیں دی ہے جو بقول ان کے گھر سے بھاگ گئی تھیں یا پھر انہیں مبینہ طور پر ‘ غیر اخلاقی حرکات’ میں ملوث پایا گیا تھا۔
ملاکنڈ ڈویژن کے کمشنر سید محمد جاوید سے بھی جب اس بابت رابطہ کیا گیا تو انہوں نے بھی اس طالبان ترجمان مسلم خان کے مؤقف کی تائید کی اور کہا ممکن ہےماضی میں خواتین کو ایسی سزائیں دی گئی ہوں۔ان کے بقول امن معاہدے کے بعد طالبان نے اپنی نجی عدالتیں ختم کردی ہیں۔
ابھی تک یہ معلوم نہیں ہوسکا ہے کہ آیا یہ واقعہ حکومت اور طالبان کے درمیان ہونے والے امن معاہدے سے پہلے یا بعد میں پیش آیا ہے لیکن یہ اس لحاظ بہت ہی سنگین واقعہ ہے کہ سوات میں ایک خاتون کو سرعام کوڑوں کی سزادی جارہی ہے۔اس سے قبل طالبان نے کئی دفعہ ان مرد حضرات کو لوگوں کے سامنے کوڑوں کی سزائیں دی تھیں جن پر مختلف نوعیت کے الزامات لگائے گئے تھے۔
لڑکے کو لڑکی کے گھر جاتے دیکھا گیا تھا
عبدالحئی کاکڑ
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، پشاور
صوبہ سرحد کے ضلع سوات میں طالبان نے مبینہ طور پر جس لڑکی کو سرعام کوڑوں کی سزا دی تھی اس کی شناخت ہوگئی ہے اور عینی شاہدین کا کہنا ہے کہ واقعہ امن معاہدے کے بعد پیش آیا ہے جبکہ طالبان نے سزا دینے کے بعد لڑکے اور لڑکی کا زبردستی نکاح بھی پڑھاوا دیا ہے۔
موبائل فون پر بنائی گئی ویڈیو کے منظر عام پر آنے کے بعد بی بی سی نے واقعہ کے بارے میں تحقیات کرکے اس کے بارے میں تفصیلات اکٹھی کی ہیں۔
اس سلسلے میں تین عینی شاہدوں اور لڑکی کے ساتھ مبینہ طور پرناجائز تعلقات قائم کرنے کے الزام کے تحت طالبان کی سزا بگھتنے والے لڑکے کے دو قریبی رشتہ داروں سے بات کی گئی ہے تاہم انہوں نے پشتون روایات اور بدنامی کے پیش نظر اپنے، لڑکی، لڑکے اور ان کے خاندان والوں کے نام افشاں نہ کرنے کی درخواست کی ہے۔
عینی شاہدین اور لڑکے کے رشتہ داروں کا کہنا ہے کہ یہ واقعہ صوبائی حکومت اور طالبان کے درمیان ہونے والے معاہدے کے بعد یعنی آج سے تقریباً بیس دن قبل تحصیل کبل کے کالا کلی گاؤں میں پیش آیا ہے۔
لڑکی چیختی رہی کہ اسے معاف کر دیں
لڑکی کا گھر لڑکے کے پڑوس میں واقع ہے اور لڑکا پیشے کے لحاظ سے الیکٹریشن ہے۔ ان کے مطابق لڑکی کے خاندان والوں نے اس سے گھر کی بجلی ٹھیک کر انےکےلیے بلایا تھا کہ اس دوران راستے سےگزرنے والے ایک طالب نے اس سے گھر میں داخل ہوتے دیکھ کر طالبان کو مطلع کر دیا۔
عینی شاہد
لڑکے کے رشتہ دار نے بی بی سی کو بتایا کہ ان کا کزن ایک دن بھاگتے ہوئے حواس باختہ حالت میں اپنے دوسرے رشتہ دار کے گھر میں داخل ہوا اور گھر والوں کو کہنے لگا کہ طالبان اس کا پیچھا کررہے ہیں۔ ان کے مطابق طالبان لڑکے کو پکڑ کر زبردستی اپنے ساتھ قریب ایک بنگلے میں لے گئے۔
ان کے بقول یہ بنگلہ ایک مقامی خان کا ہے جنکا نام عنایت اللہ خان ہے اور طالبان کی خوف سے علاقے چھوڑنے کے بعد طالبان نے ان کے مکان پر قبضہ کرلیا ہے جہاں اب بھی وہ بڑی تعداد میں رہائش پذیر ہیں۔
ان کے بقول اس کے بعد طالبان لڑکی کو گھر سے نکال کر لے آئے اور اس پر الزام لگایا کہ دونوں نے مبینہ طر پر جنسی تعلق قائم کیا ہے۔
انہوں نے مزید کہا کہ دراصل واقعہ یہ تھا کہ لڑکی کا گھر لڑکے کے پڑوس میں واقع ہے اور لڑکا پیشے کے لحاظ سے الیکٹریشن ہے۔ ان کے مطابق لڑکی کے خاندان والوں نے اس سے گھر کی بجلی ٹھیک کر انے کے لیے بلایا تھا کہ اس دوران راستے سےگزرنے والے ایک طالب نے اس سے گھر میں داخل ہوتے دیکھ کر طالبان کو مطلع کر دیا۔
عینی شاہدین کا کہنا ہے کہ طالبان نے لڑکے اور لڑکی کو کالا کلی کے شاہ ڈھیرئی روڈ پر لا کر پہلے لڑکے اور پھر لڑکی کو کوڑے مارے۔
لڑکے کے رشتہ دار نے مزید بتایا کہ سزا دینے کے بعد طالبان نے دونوں کا زبردستی نکاح پڑھوایا دیا اورلڑکے کومتنبہ کیا کہ وہ لڑکی کو طلاق نہ دیں۔
لڑکے کے ایک اور رشتہ دارنے بی بی سی کو بتایا کہ اس واقعہ اور زبردستی شادی کے بعد لڑکا ایک قسم کا ذہنی مریض بن چکا ہے اور واقعہ کے پیش آنے کے بعد سے وہ پریشانی اور شرم کے مارے گھر سے نہیں نکلا ہے۔
ان کے مطابق انہوں نے لڑکے سے ملاقات کی ہے اور وہ اکثر خاموش رہتا ہے اور ان سے نشہ آور ادویات کا تقاضہ کرتا رہتا ہے مگر اس نے ہمیشہ گولیاں مہیا کرنے سے انکار کیا ہے۔
لڑکی کے بارے میں بتایا گیا ہے کہ اسکی عمر تقریباً سولہ سال ہے اور اسکے والد فوت ہوگئے ہیں اور اسکے دو بھائی ہیں جن میں سے ایک سعودی عرب میں محنت مزدوری کرتا ہے۔
جبکہ لڑکے کے بارے میں کہا جاتا ہے کہ اس نے جہانزیب کالج مینگورہ سے ایف اے کا امتحان پاس کیا ہے جسکے بعد اس نے سوات میں قائم پولی ٹیکنک کالج سے الیٹرانکس میں ڈپلومہ کیا اور آجکل الیٹریشن کے پیشے سے منسلک ہے۔
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Some relevant comments:
This video just made me sick..
these b@st@rds should be killed with out any mercy.
dejavu said:
I have never seen such a pathetic thing in my life. may be MM and all those who support Sharia should imagine their women being lashed like this and then decide what they want.
Who can watch the video posted by Jamil second time?
You must be a Taliban mujahid to have a nerve to do that.
where are we going? Army should move in otherwise it will be too late.. this will come back and haunt us. its just a matter of time.
@ Jamil
army is neither trained nor equiped. Above all they donot have the will to do that. I am inclined to think that may be its time to think outside the box and let our “friends” help.
Did Jinnah make a grand speech about his great vision for a ‘secular Pakistan’ where he declaimed, “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the state”? Did he speak of a Pakistan where, “in the course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state”?
Of course he did.
We have worst of every thing.. Mullahs biggest bigots of all, Army who only cares about DHA’s, Politicians who only think about their parties or families.
all the nation should get united against talban and thier supporters.talban are worst than animals.they have no respect for women or for humanity.
@ jamil, thanks for showing taliban ugly face:
What a shameful act these so called Taliban did, LANANT HOO TUM PAR, kanjroo, is this islam, you called urself muslim, shame on you.
While holding a women is it allowed in ISLAM and punshing her like an animal. You are getting punishment from forces, I know say is right, you all foolish should be killed.
From where these sons of shaitan and sons and followers DAJAL are came, these all should be vanished quickly. These taliban are black mark for muslims.
uneducated, jahil, VAESHI,ANIMAL, THESE ALL SHOULD BE KILLED, mother fuc***kr
I suspect this is happening on very large scale in swat, where is this SUFI? the so called liberal Mullah, he should have been shot my Mush, remember they went to Afghanistan with rifles with this ah0le and only he came back!
This is purely ancient tribal bull$h1t nothing to do with ISLAM, ISLAM is just being used as a tool to control people.
Our state must act now, they should control religion just like in some arab states, and control it ruthlessly.
I request my army AIK AIK KO CHUN CHUN KAR MAR DHOO, aisay jahiloo koo.
dejavu said:
basically whipping women on their bottoms while their faces touching your ba lls as shown in video posted by jamil,(which I consider as Fetishism) is allowed.
Thats the Taliban’s sharia you will have.
Related to the video posted above.
Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan claimed responsibility for the flogging. “She came out of her house with another guy who was not her husband, so we must punish her. There are boundaries you cannot cross,” he said. He defended the Taliban’s right to thrash women shoppers who were inappropriately dressed, saying it was permitted under Islamic law.
Further it says…..
Minallah and other sources said the girl was punished on suspicion of having had an illicit relationship with a married man. She did not receive a trial. “The whole case is based on the suspicions of one neighbour,” said Minallah.
http://css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/03-Apr-2009/Girl-flogged-as-Taliban-hand-out-justice
This is total bull. We should start a new thread to literate ourselves with Actual Sharia Law.
What Sharia/Islam says about such things. The word Sharia and Islamic Law has been misused a lot recently and it has started to imprint a negative image in my mind as well.
It would be great, to have discussion over it with authentic references from books and literature.
@Omar
Shove those books and literature up your as*. I have a mullah telling me how to have an intercourse and then quoting three ayas as to how i should do it. Then another mullah tells me that i am doing it the wrong way and quotes another three ayas to justify his stance.
I don’t want any Sharia Laws. The laws on the books in Pakistan simply need to be implemented.
All these people (Tv anchors/politicians etc.) who have a soft corner for these Taliban will realize when these guys will roam in the streets of Karachi and Lahore flogging people for not having a beard or women for leaving their homes and will be blowing up girls schools… This is NOT the sharia we need… These are uneducated people with a limited world view coming from a tribal background who are hell-bent on sending this country 1500 yrs. back in time…
I bet the 3 men got hard over flogging this young girl. I wonder whether the 3 are all familiy members of her becuase if not, she might get it again for having had contact with strange men. Makes really sense, doesn´t it?
What a bunch of idiotic pervs
Amir Hameed said:
All I can say is that it is our misfortune that we have produced scores of illetrate MoFo “Mullahs” but hardly any notable scholars who could really interpret the religion and guide people. A Mullah belives that by raising a beard (that may not even look good on him), praying umpteen times a day, reciting Quran without understanding it makes him a pure Muslim and qualifies him to start passing judgement on the others and labeling them infidels and non-believers.
Two questions:
Sawat girl was served with 34 lashes. Does anyone know if there was a standard of punishment for various crimes 1400 years ago or it all depends how much of Taliban’s brain is in between their legs that day.
If Taliban and other Beardo cannot control their sex drive, why can’t they just chop off their dicks? That should raise their morality above anyone and would guarantee the highest level of paradise.
aly said:
Few ‘muslims’ applying their ‘interpretation of Shariyat’ implementing on others.
Why don’t our Favourite CJP Take a SUO MOTTO against them.
you know why
because its doesn’t give a good ‘publicity’
fanaticmulla said:
i had some respect for Ansar Abbasi but some weeks ago i saw him defending Taliban on TV channels and now today once again he is defending this act , now i have no respect for him whatsoever,,why these media persons cant realize the fact that soon they will be the victims of Talibans as well..Taliban represents a sick minded group and they consider media particulary electronic media as haram
these media persons are helping taliban at the moment but Taliban are against even TV and cable networks and if somehow Taliban take control of Islamabad or other cities they will spank all media anchors for “earning from a haram source” TV ..even before Ansar Abbasi appaeraed i predicted in my other posts that he will be the first to defend that..then there is another guy without beard host of famous Geo TV talk show (I cant write his name due to moderation thing and if i write his name my post will not be allowed) who will also defend this act because he is also a great supporter of Taliban….
I challenge that as soon as taliban will take over other cities, these so called media supporter of talibans will be first to run away from pakistan ..they have earned million in last years and have sufficient money to live anywhere in world but they want shariat for other poor people by supporting Taliban..this is hypocricy at its best.
Kashif said:
I just saw Bolta Pakistan. It looks like right’s best defence on this is to present Iraq, Afghanistan, drone, Palestine etc etc. Mushtaq Minhas terms this as a grave conspiracy against Islam and Pakistan. I am wondering who conspired here the lead characters of the video, Talibans, an unknown camera person or distributors.
On one hand they say Taliban doesn’t represent Islam or Pakistan on the other hand they say showing negative side of Taliban is a conspiracy against Pakistan and Islam. I can understand this as a conspiracy against Taliban but against Islam and Pakistan… I simply don’t get it.
zufi said:
So Mullahs are flogging teenage girls in swat because they are really pissed
off by american foreign policy???
“To all you supporters of Sharia and Taliban:
I hope to God one day you are all under the rule of the Taliban then I will ask you how it feels. The people of NWFP have been held hostage by this Taliban Fitna – my province is burning from the very south of DIK to the very north in Swat. You know why this poor young girl was being beaten? I will tell you – she rejected the advances of a Taliban commander! that was her crime. That f*ing moron Mushtaq Minhas; all he could say was that this is a conspiracy against Islam and Pakistan!!!! What about the girl you f*iking a*hole? do you have a heart? Would you like this to happen to your mother or sister?And then all the other morons of Mushtaq’s ilk started calling saying stop playing the video because it is a conspiracy by the USA. I hope they keep playing this video so that the screams of that poor girl keep on echoing in their stupid f*king heads for the rest of their miserable lives.”
I wish the same, perhaps all these beardos have stones instead of hearts. I am sure all these morons (supporters of these animals) are enjoying the cries of that poor girl and perhaps they are also treating their wives/sisters the same way.
There is a taliban hidden inside Mushtaq waiting to come out. Most of the people who called in the show are in a state of denial. Everything is a conspiracy as far as they are concerned. They have lost ability to think, reason and to be logical.
i wish to see the day when Taliban spank MM for not having beard and also earning a lot of money form Haram source that is TV…then he will understand all conspiracy theories..this was the day for NJ to be aggressive but NJ is only agressive when he has to defend zaradri ..otherwise he also become passive
i do not wonder if MM start criticizing CJ IMC soon because of his suo moto action ..let us see that who stand for Justice and rule of law this time
Dr. Shahid Masood will say the same thing as Mushtaq Minhas – its a conspiracy against Islam and Pakistan by India, Israel and USA. No Muslim or Pakistani can do this….. What a bunch of crap as if Muslims and Pakistanis are angels and will never do something like this.
Nusrat Javed Sir it’s very brave of you to challenge these moron Jihadis who want to turn Pakistan into a playland for their factional jihadi playground activities.
Mushtaq Manhoos, you have disappointed me. Now, stop misleading masses about the true nature of these barbaric forces.
To all the Talibain Lovers.
Your Taliban Emirs have consistenly declared your activites ( use of internet ) to be un-islamic. Now it’s time for you to offer your bottoms to another talib so he whip it purple. OK ?
It’s time for you to honor your Emir’s word. Stop using Internet. It’s agaist Taliban’s shariat.
Lets assume for a second that it was a conspiracy against Islam and Pakistan, now this incident did happened and Muslim Khan spokesman of Taliban accepted it. Now according to this logic doesn’t that mean Taliban are conspiring against Islam and Pakistan.
Now my question is why people support these anit-Islam and anti-Pakistan khuwarjies. Any non-baboo would care to explain it?
If this event happened the same way as shown in the video, then I can’t understand how can anybody try to divert the attention by bringing all other injustices in the world over and over again to justify this act as just another one in the list. From my part, I am horrified to see this clip and since that time I cannot stop myself picturing my daughter in place of that poor girl in taliban regime just because she went out for her college alone.
@all apologising for Talib Faggots:
Taliban IS NOT Islam
What the FUCK is wrong with you DIPSHITS!!!
Any fucking lawrence of arabia that shows up in your midsts, reciting a few verses, talking about JEEEHAAWWD, you sick lazy fuvcks are ready to follow him to your own destruction. Only to wake up 20 years after the fact crying foul.
Talking about hypocrites:
جماعت اسلامی کے نو منتخب امیر منور حسن نے ایک نجی ٹی وی چینل پر اس بارے میں سوال پوچھے جانے کے باوجود انہوں نے اس واقعہ کی مذمت نہیں کی اور بات گول کرتے رہے۔
Now the attitude of the JI media cell makes more sense. When you can’t really defend the crimes of those you secretly admire and defend, just post a bunch of maimed dead bodies from the Palestinian and Iraqi conflict and call it a day.
Ironically, the same technique is used by the CIA to rile up the US masses for attacks on Muslim populations. When someone questions Israel, they show mass graves and the “ovens”. When someone cries foul about Abu Gharib and Gitmo, they show you the victims of Saddam’s chemical weapons (that they supplied!)…
Why do Alqaeda & JI media tactics resemble so much with the CIA media tactics?
Why indeed.
i had some respect for Ansar Abbasi but some weeks ago i saw him defending Taliban on TV channels and now today once again he is defending this act , now i have no respect for him whatsoever,,why these media persons cant realize the fact that soon they will be the victims of Talibans as well..Taliban represents a sick minded group and they consider media particulary electronic media as haram
these media persons are helping taliban at the moment but Taliban are against even TV and cable networks and if somehow Taliban take control of Islamabad or other cities they will spank all media anchors for “earning from a haram source” TV ..even before Ansar Abbasi appaeraed i predicted in my other posts that he will be the first to defend that..then there is another guy without beard host of famous Geo TV talk show (I cant write his name due to moderation thing and if i write his name my post will not be allowed) who will also defend this act because he is also a great supporter of Taliban….
I challenge that as soon as taliban will take over other cities, these so called media supporter of talibans will be first to run away from pakistan ..they have earned million in last years and have sufficient money to live anywhere in world but they want shariat for other poor people by supporting Taliban..this is hypocricy at its best
AClarionCall said:
Ansar Abbasi is the worst media person I have ever seen on TV. He is such an idiot and probably the biggest supporter of Talibans.
Long March against Taliban Zindabad
bhola said:
kill all the fU**ING taliban
learn from Sri Lanka if we have to fight this war against the animals for decades its worth fighting
irshad khan said:
Ansar Abbasi lost all the respect I had for him when he tried to justify this viciousness and humiliation to a young lady in Swat. If he is so stringent following Islam then he should advise any one suffering with diabetes in his family or friends not to use Insulin as it have pork products. Also Mr. Abbasi should be happy that Talibanization is moving into his city, once that happens I hope he enjoy it.
Spectator and enforcer who were punishing the women seem to enjoy her screams and her posture lying face down on the ground. This incident is certainly barbaric, draconian and unIslamic.
I hope some one tells this lady to apply for asylum to Canada; by all means I will help her to move to a humane country.
lota6177 said:
imran khan shouldcondem this act before the taliban get there hands on jamima khan. They can flog her 50 times for getting cozy with hugh grant and other lesbian activites pictured in newspapers while being married to imran. It would than be to late for him to say it is a personal matter and people should just focus on his politics.
@lota6177, zufi, NikhilP, justice4all, inxs700, kashif, savage, opportunity, democracy, 5Rivers, ataraxis6, shandana, yousafkhan, ashraf al makhlooq, RafiqTarar, fanaticmulla, codefreaq, srau, other like minded:
It is heartening to see your input all of which I agree with.
There are several who have opposing viewpoints, some confused, some out of dedication to their faith, some genuinely unintelligent.
But the really sick ones are our Resident Cockroach @nota, with his followers from the gutter @Traffic, @SnrCtzn, @Shimatoree and their Jeeeehaawwwdi God is Mushtaq Minhas.
It is unbelievable MM tried to, in turn minimise the issue, then call it a conspiracy, then tried to divert the issue, then went into complete denial that muslims or pakistanis can do this. Exactly the line taken by the Rats and Cockroaches on this forum.
ansar abbasi should move to swat and live under the taliban.
AClarionCall said:
All right wing supporters of Taliban in this forum, media and in Pakistan should celebrate beating of a poor girl as wonderful governance and efforts of Taliban administration are working in Swat. Talibans are achieving great results (as expected from them) by giving barbaric punishments and enforcing their system in city squares. Other cities should expect the same if Talibanisation did not stop. This is just the tip of the iceberg; people of Swat are suffering at the hands of Talibans for long time and there is no Govt writ or powers to save them from Stone Age animals. We are collectively responsible for this or many other similar incidences as we as a nation have failed to stop Talibanisation of our society. Hypocrite people send their kids to expensive English schools (some kids go to Cambridge system as well) but they shamelessly side Talibans for their way of life and system.
I have advised many people to move to Swat and live under Talibans. We need a solution like Sri Lankan has brought on Tamil terrorists. We need a Long March against Talibans. I thank US for their efforts to fight Talibans but US Army have been weak and lenient in fighting war against terrorism; we need decisive and strong response from US to help us get rid of these Taliban bastards. We should also get strategic advice from Sri Lankan Army for getting rid of these savage animals.
Source: pk politics, Guardian, others
جماعت اسلامی کے نو منتخب امیر منور حسن نے ایک نجی ٹی وی چینل پر اس بارے میں سوال پوچھے جانے کے باوجود انہوں نے اس واقعہ کی مذمت نہیں کی اور بات گول کرتے رہے۔
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Comments from LUBP old website:
Shan said…
100 girls’ schools razed in FATA: UN
LAHORE: Taliban last year blew up more than 100 girls’ schools in the Tribal Areas of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan, the United Nations (UN) has said. Koichiro Matsuura, UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation director-general, said months of attacks on educational institutions, teachers and students had created a ‘shocking situation’. The lawlessness had spread to the Swat valley in February. What was once the “Switzerland of Pakistan” had become its Beirut, Pakistan’s Ambassador to the UN Hussain Haqqani said. The Taliban have attacked 169 girls’ schools in the Swat district since July, and last week, a suicide attacker bombed another in Balochistan. While the peace accord in Swat ‘theoretically’ allowed girls to return to schools, Matsuura said “fear still reigns” among parents and many teachers had fled the region. daily times monitor
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3 APRIL 2009 07:23
ajeeb bandah said…
Mashallah, Zia-ul-Haq kay Islam ki yad tazah ho gaye.
3 APRIL 2009 08:24
THE PATHANS said…
THIS REALLY INHUMAN ACT AND CRIME,IGNORANT TALIBAN HAVE NO RIGHT TO TREAT ANYONE LIKE THIS,ITS 2009 NOT 7TH CENTURY,I REJECT THIS KIND OF ISLAM AND TREATMENT OF PEOPLE.TALIBAN ARE IGNORANT AND LIVING IN STONE AGE,THIS VIDEO REALLY MADE ME UPSET AND SICK.TALIBAN ARE INVOLVE IN CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
3 APRIL 2009 13:18
Raazi said…
Ansar Abbasi bast**d justifying it on TV quoting Quran etc. Ansar Abbasi is the head of Taliban mafia in Pakistani media.
3 APRIL 2009 20:33
THE PATHANS said…
The most astonishing thing was that there was a throng of the most chivalrous and proud Pathans, Pukhtoons or the Pushtoons – whatever you may call them – around the helpless victim of atrocity watching the spectacle mutely either in approval or dumbfounded and afraid of uttering a word against it lest it be termed as anti-Islamic and they themselves meted out the same treatment. Well Done the Ghayur Pukhtoons of Swat. Well Done to your chivalry and manliness.
What a message we are sending to civilized World. keep a close eye on how the politicians react – zardari “condemns” (words are cheap, particularly zardaris); PM “demands” punishment (OK, lets wait and see); CJ uses suo moto to demand girl be produced before court.. (OK, lets wait and see). Jamaat-i-Islami says this is a “minor matter” and people should focus on drone attacks by the US (thus demonstrating their hypocrisy and savagery!!).Those who think it was ok cause its in Islam then those idiots should go to mountains and live there and have fun with stone age.
3 APRIL 2009 21:29
Aamir Mughal said…
Video of Taliban Flogging Rattles Pakistan By SALMAN MASOOD Published: April 3, 2009
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An undated image taken from mobile phone footage released by Dunya TV Channel shows a woman in a body-covering burka face down on the ground being flogged. Dunya TV Channel/Associated Press
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The video shows a young girl held face down as a Taliban commander whips her repeatedly with a leather strap. “Leave me for the moment — you can beat me again later,” she screams, pleading for a reprieve and writhing in pain.
Paying no heed, the commander orders the others to tighten their grip on her and continues the public flogging. A large group of men quietly stands and watches in a circle around her.
The girl in the video is a 17-year-old resident of Kabal in the restive Swat region in northwestern Pakistan. The images, which have been aired repeatedly by private television news networks in Pakistan, have caused outrage here and set off bitter condemnation by rights activists and politicians. It has also raised questions once again about the government’s decision to enter into a peace deal in February that effectively ceded Swat to the Taliban and allowed them to impose Islamic law.
The two-minute video is the first known case of a public flogging of a woman in Swat. Apparently shot on mobile phone and widely circulated in the picturesque valley, it demonstrates vividly how the Taliban have used public displays of punishment to terrify and control the local population.
It was not clear what the girl was accused of. One account said that she had stepped out of her house without being escorted by a male family member, said Samar Minallah, a rights activist. Ms. Minallah said she distributed the video to local news media after it was sent to her by someone from Swat three days ago
Another account said that a local Taliban commander had falsely accused the girl of violating Islamic law after she refused to accept his marriage proposal.
A Taliban spokesperson defended the punishment to the GEO television network , but said it should not have been done in public.
Mian Iftikhar Hussain, the information minister of North-West Frontier Province, where Swat is located, also tried to play down the flogging by claiming that the video was recorded in January before the peace agreement. He called it an attempt to sabotage the peace agreement.
Not many seemed willing to countenance the argument.
“This is absurd,” said Athar Minallah, a lawyer who campaigned for the restoration of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, in a telephone interview. “No one can give justification for such an act. These handful of people have taken the population hostage and the government is trying to patronize them. If the state surrenders, what will happen next?”
Asma Jehangir, one of the country’s leading rights activists, condemned the flogging as “intolerable.”
“This is an eye-opener,” she said in a televised news briefing in Lahore. “Terrorism has seeped into every corner of the country. It is time that every patriotic Pakistani should raise a voice against such atrocities.”
She said she would join other rights activists and citizens in rally against terrorism Saturday in Lahore, where militants stormed a police academy this week. “It will be a peaceful march to show that the people of Lahore will not stay silent,” she said.
Jugnu Mohsin, a peace activist and publisher of Friday Times, the country’s most popular weekly, blamed the military for allowing the Taliban to gain strength and giving the militants a free hand to commit such atrocities.
Ms. Mohsin, along with her husband, Najam Sethi, one of Pakistan’s most renowned journalists, said she had received threats from Islamic extremists.
“I know that the federal and provincial governments are innocent victims and bystanders,” she said. ”The military has handed over the ownership and refuses to fight.”
In February, after 20 months of losing battles against the Taliban in Swat, the government and the military accepted a peace deal and the establishment of Islamic courts in the region. In return, Maulana Fazlullah, the leader of the Taliban in Swat, pledged to lay down the weapons and end the violence.
Those who opposed the deal said it would strengthen the militants and give them time to regroup and tighten their control in Swat.
The government said the agreement would end the violence. Hundreds of schools have been destroyed in Swat, several government officials beheaded and female education banned under the Taliban.
Both President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani condemned the flogging and ordered and investigation.
Mr. Chaudhry has also constituted an eight-member bench in the Supreme Court after taking notice of the video, a news release by the Pakistani court said.
The justice ordered the interior secretary to bring the girl before the court on March 6.
Sherry Rehman, the former information minister and a member of the ruling Pakistan Peoples’ Party, demanded immediate action by the government.
“Ignoring such acts of violence amounts to sanctioning impunity,” Ms. Rehman said in a statement. “The fire in the Swat Valley and our northern regions can engulf other parts of the country, if we do nothing to put it out.”
3 APRIL 2009 21:50
Aamir Mughal said…
Like Ansar Abbasi and Munawar Hasan of Jamat-e-Islami supports Swat Flogging:
“The leader of Pakistan’s main Islamist party, the Jamaat-e-Islami, played down the incident [of the Taliban in Swat flogging a young girl].
‘It’s a small thing. We should talk about drone attacks, not minor things,’ said Munawar Hassan, referring to attacks on suspected militants by pilotless US aircraft that have angered many Pakistanis.”
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3 APRIL 2009 21:59
Aamir Mughal said…
Dear Moderators,
Likes of Ansar Abbasi and New Fascist Ameer of Jamat-e-Islami were silent on this:
Why dont the new Ameer of Jamat-e-Islami Munawwar Hasan [defended the flogging in Swat on Dawn News] and other Mullahs flog men on this:
Karo Kari is a tradition which is mostly practiced in my hometown and my birthblace i.e. Jacobabad i.e. Sindh, read more:
WOMEN IN MUSLIM SOCIETIES PAY HIGH PRICE TO FUNDAMENTALISM By Rana Rizvi Special to IPS [Iran Press Service]
In Pakistani society women are suffering at the hands of centuries-old customs like karo kari*, marriage with the Qur’an** (Koran) and many others. As per a report of HRCP, in 1998, 286 women have reported to be killed in the name of honour. The overall situation is very bleak but a little number of women are emerging from the web and trying to break the norms and traditions and change the system that is not easy but very optimistic. ENDS PAKI WOMEN 19800
* Karo Kari ( According to a custom of karo kari, if a woman having an illicit liaison with any man, she is declared kari (black) and the man who involved in relationship is called Karo. It becomes a must for any relative of a “kari” woman to kill both her and her partner, as the murderer would escape from punishment because he has killed in the name of honour.
**Marriage with Quran (According to a tribal custom of Sindh and Baluchistan) , in some families especially Syed {an upper caste of Muslims) families, members of the faamilies search the proposals for their daughters, sisters in their own families and in case if they could not find any suitable match then they cover the head of the girl and teach her the Holy Quran in a ceremony. The whole life girl remains with the Quran and its called marriage with Quran. The practice is continue and the purpose is do not give the share to female members of the family.
Pakistan: The Protection of Women (Criminal Laws Amendment) Act, 2006 and its implementation
UNHCR:
Various sources indicate that the Protection of Women (Criminal Laws Amendment) Act, 2006 has generated conflict in Pakistani society as some people perceive it as anti-Islamic or against the Quran (BBC 15 Nov. 2006; Nawa-e Waqt 15 May 2007; US 5 Dec. 2006; The Daily Times 3 Aug. 2007). The Daily Times further reports that a city-wide strike protesting the Act occurred in Karachi in December 2006 where most of the public transportation stopped operations, major commercial markets were closed and private schools started their winter holidays early in anticipation of the strike (23 Dec. 2006). Around 5,000 activists from the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), a conservative Islamist political alliance (BBC 15 Nov. 2006), participated in the rally against the Act and there were reports of violence, though no details were provided (The Daily Times 23 Dec. 2006). Clashes also occurred in Lahore and Gujranwala (AsiaNews.it 1 Dec. 2006).
The Ministry of Women Development of Pakistan indicates on its website that a bill to address customary practices such as forced marriages, Vani-Swara (i.e., giving a woman in marriage to hostile families in compensation for a relative’s crime), and “marriage to the Quran” [a practice whereby girls dedicate themselves to studying the Quran and forego marriage (Asharq Alawsat 22 July 2007)] is under review and that another bill to address domestic violence is being forwarded to the Cabinet for approval (Pakistan 5 Oct. 2007; see also The Daily Times 11 Jan. 2007).
Information regarding the implementation of the Protection of Women (Criminal Laws Amendment) Act, 2006 could not be found among the sources consulted by the Research Directorate.
This Response was prepared after researching publicly accessible information currently available to the Research Directorate within time constraints. This Response is not, and does not purport to be, conclusive as to the merit of any particular claim for refugee protection. Please find below the list of additional sources consulted in researching this Information Request.
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AsiaNews.it. 1 December 2006. “Muslim Leaders Give Thumbs Up to Law Protecting Women.” [Accessed 26 Nov. 2007]
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4 APRIL 2009 00:04
Aamir Mughal said…
Where was Jamat-e-Islami, Munawar Hasan, Professor Ghafoor, Mian Tufail and Qazi Hussain Ahmed when under their very nose this ‘SAD INCIDENT’ took place during the so-called Islamic General Ziaul Haq??? When Naked Procession of Women was forcibly taken out just for the sake of revenge.
The tormenting memory of Nawabpur By Omar R. Quraishi
12 October 2004 Tuesday 26 Shaban 1425
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On October 8, several hundred activists and concerned citizens, including parliamentarians, gathered in front of Parliament House in Islamabad, to protest against the government’s inaction with regard to the so-called honour killings and increasing violence against women in the country. This rally follows several previous ones on similar issues and staged in the hope that our elected representatives realize the gravity of the situation and take action to outlaw honour killings.
In the name of honour, to defend a family, clan or tribe’s honour, many injustices and cruelties have been perpetrated against thousands of women in Pakistan’s history. Just two years ago, we saw a panchayat in the small village of Meerwala in southern Punjab order an innocent woman to be raped by several men as punishment for an alleged affair that one of her brother committed with a woman from another tribe.
Once the story got out, it made international headlines. All hell broke loose, at least initially, with the Supreme Court calling it the “most heinous crime of 21st century Pakistan” and ordering an anti-terrorism court to hear the case. Six men were eventually sentenced to death while eight were acquitted. However, their defence lawyers moved the high court and their appeal is currently pending.
For its part, the government gave the woman, Mukhtaran Mai Rs 500,000 and it is believed that aid offers came in from overseas and from private sources as well. She decided that with the money she would build a school in her village. According to a report a few months ago, her school is yet to be completed. The Supreme Court was right in calling it the most heinous crime seen by Pakistanis in this century. This century yes, but what was the most heinous crime the country witnessed during the previous century, specifically when General Ziaul Haq was in power, a time when the country was exposed to a veritable ocean of arms and drugs and when infamous laws like the Hudood and the Qisas and Diyat ordinances were enacted, perhaps a crime against Pakistan itself. But if one were to single out an incident and call it the equivalent of the Meerwala tragedy, it would have to be the horrific events that took place in Nawabpur, not far from Meerwala, 20 years ago.
Two women and a nine-year-old girl, were paraded naked on March 31, 1984, through the small galis of Nawabpur, a small, sleepy town some 10 kilometres from Multan. The women’s brother-in-law, Akbar, was a local carpenter, who had earned a name for himself by becoming skilled at his craft. The man, according to one account which appeared three weeks after the incident in this newspaper’s weekly magazine, was that he had been having affairs with women from the town’s leading feudal Sheikhana clan.
As such things are “settled” in a feudal/tribal context, several dozen men of the clan made their way to Akbar’s house, severely beat him up and then did the same to his two sisters-in-law and nine-year-old sister. Apparently, not content with their bestiality, they then proceeded to drag the two women and girl to the streets, naked. According to the report, “Talking to two dead women” (April 20, 1984) by Zafar Samdani: “A group of about 40-50 revenge-drunk men had entered their (the women’s house), beat up their brother-in-law Mohammad Akbar to a pulp, stripped them naked by tearing their clothes … and then herded them towards the main street, waving their arms, pistols, iron-mounted lathis and other weapons victoriously…
When the women tried to hide their bodies with their hands, they (the men) prodded them with sticks or just hit them. When they tried to hide their faces, they pulled their hair so that they raised their faces.” Beaten beyond recognition, Akbar died six days later from his injuries. Talking to the writer of the article, the chief of the Sheikhana clan at that time and chairman of the union council of Nawabpur, Malik Mohammad Baksh, said that the action of the men (he called them “boys”) from his clan was understandable given Akbar’s shenanigans because of which they were “terribly angry”.
He also said that though they were “terribly angry,” reports of their “misdeed had been grossly exaggerated”. One can only be astonished by the audacity of this man who probably saw it fit to deny or justify the parading of women naked at gunpoint, because one of their relatives allegedly had an affair or affairs with female relatives of the men who came to take revenge. A military court heard the case and after the incident an amendment (through the Criminal Law Amendment Ordinance 1984 – Section 354 A) was inserted in the Pakistan Penal Code. It increased the maximum sentence from two years in jail to capital punishment for anyone who forced a woman to strip naked in public. Despite that, the men tried in the Nawabpur case were not given capital punishment or even life sentence.
In fact, two months later they were all released on bail. Akbar’s shattered and broken family left the village fearing that the released men might return and persecute them. Quite ironically, a fortnight after the Nawabpur incident, a military court in a separate case sentenced a man and a woman to 20 lashes each after finding them guilty of committing adultery.
It is 20 years on and one wonders whether anything has really changed as far as the misogynist trends in Pakistani society are concerned. Meerwala, which happened just two years ago, would perhaps tell us that not much has changed.
In fact, the same year, one witnessed several cases of young teenage girls being “gifted” to men to settle tribal disputes. Earlier this year, a young girl in interior Sindh was shot dead by male relatives after she dared to dance during a family wedding ceremony. Perhaps one difference is that when the Nawabpur incident took place the kind of press and television coverage that Meerwala received did not exist. Other than that, the military man in charge today at least professes to holding views that are more enlightened than those of General Zia. And yes, the National Assembly and the Senate have several dozen female legislators now.
But they haven’t really made much of an impact, or to put it more precisely, the male-dominated politics of Pakistan hasn’t allowed them to do anything of significance. One or two members of parliament who do speak quite vociferously on women’s issues, such as Kashmala Tariq of the PML or Sherry Rehman of the PPP (Parliamentarians) are either shouted down (as the National Assembly speaker did recently with Ms Tariq), subjected to a thoroughly unwarranted attack on their personal character or are thought to be too westernized and elitist to be of any consequence (as is the case with Ms Rehman).
In fact, a privilege motion was moved recently against Kashmala Tariq by a member of her own party, the PML, after she said, in response to a reporter’s question that she wasn’t made a minister because she did not have the right surname or connections. On one occasion she also received comments on her looks from some male members of the National Assembly during parliamentary proceedings, giving the impression that perhaps some of our MNAs had never seen a female face before. Pretty much the same thing happens at the provincial level. In the case of Punjab, some of the PML women MPAs have said that they often find themselves sidelined during the proceedings or aren’t given enough time or opportunity to speak in a debate. As for the role of women in the Balochistan or NWFP assemblies, the less said the better, especially in the latter where they prefer to be silent much of the time and let their erstwhile male colleagues in the MMA take control of parliamentary proceedings.
If they try and protest against this bias, they are deemed by the men as being too troublesome or noisy. So, while we have lots of women legislators, the male-dominated system doesn’t let them do anything at all. In fact, its inherent anti-women attitude is geared towards denying them an effective voice/role in parliament just as it happens throughout the rest of society. Besides, the role of our so-called intellectuals, who should be more vocal in their demands for social reform, especially in areas such as these that involve the equality of the sexes and human dignity, has yet to materialize.
This is probably why, even 20 years after Nawabpur and two years after Meerwala, various governments continue to procrastinate over legislation against crimes committed in the name of honour. The fact that the print and electronic media report such things with greater alacrity and regularity than before is a positive sign and is aimed at raising public awareness.
But then, who doesn’t know that ordering a woman to be raped for a crime committed by her brother, or parading women naked in public is reprehensible and can be done only by beasts masquerading as humans? Clearly, increased media reporting of such happenings and greater awareness levels have not persuaded any government – not even one led by a self-professed enlightened moderate – to enact legislation to tilt the balance back, however slightly, in favour of women. In the past year alone, senior government functionaries, up to the ministerial level, have said at least a dozen times that a law will be “enacted soon”. The other day it was reported that the National Assembly’s standing committee on law and human rights had finally approved a draft of a proposed law on this issue. If the bill is approved by both houses, and a law is enacted, perhaps a significant change will be witnessed since the abominable events of Nawabpur shook this country 20 years ago.
4 APRIL 2009 00:11
Raazi said…
Things to come
Saturday, April 04, 2009
A young woman, probably 17 years old, is held face down by – amongst others – one of her brothers while she is flogged. She is struck hard – these are not token ‘smacks’ – with a whip 34 times on her buttocks and upper thighs. She screams in pain throughout and begs to be killed. A voice is heard saying ‘hold her legs tight’. At the end she stands and is led into a house. The event is watched, apparently in silence, by a group of men, this snapshot of what the future holds for us was somehow caught on camera and eventually made its way to the blogosphere. It has been broadcast on Geo TV as well. Many by now have seen it and sit astonished. It is alleged that the girl came out of her house in the company of a man who was not her husband, hence her punishment. There was no trial, she was unable to offer any defence and she was flogged on the sole evidence of a neighbour. The flogging took place in Swat.
The video exposes the barbarity that lies at the heart of the Taliban movement. This is the Taliban version of Sharia law in action, and it is coming to a chowk near you in the foreseeable future. How should we respond to this? There will be those who will watch the video and say ‘Yes…that is the right thing to do. She deserves that punishment. Others should be punished in a similar way.’ The people who are of this view are often vociferous, strident even, in their support of an interpretation of religious law that fits their medieval paradigm. We hear their voices every day. Then there are others who will watch it and say ‘No, this is not the way things should be done. This is not the Islam that I believe in. Brutal behaviour such as this makes a vile mockery of my faith. I do not want this to happen in my country.’ Unfortunately, we do not hear the voices that speak in terms of moderation and tolerance and diversity and acceptance of ‘other’. We do not hear them because they are either drowned out by the louder voices of barbarism or because they are voices that speak low and soft, out of the range of normal hearing. We would like to think that the voices not being heard are the voices of the majority, the voices that belong to men and women who want to see a developed and prosperous Pakistan that is a model for the Muslim world.
You members of the softly-spoken majority have a choice to make. Either you continue to speak but have your words drowned out by those who would publicly whip your sisters, mothers, daughters and wives for whatever petty gossip is parlayed by jealous or malicious neighbours; or you raise your voices loud in protest. Say strong and clear that this is not for you. Organise and march and lobby and agitate and protest and in so doing stem the tide of extremism that rolls ever closer. You choose. Because if you don’t choose, and the tide rolls around the corner of your street and it is your wife or daughter or sister or mother screaming in front of you as she is flogged – then you have nobody to blame but yourselves. (The News, Editorial)
4 APRIL 2009 09:07
Daily Dawn said…
CJ wants victim in court
By Our Staff Reporter
Saturday, 04 Apr, 2009
ISLAMABAD, April 3: Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry has described the recent flogging of a 17-year-old girl by Taliban in Swat as a serious violation of fundamental rights and ordered the interior secretary to bring the girl before his court on Monday.
Taking suo motu notice of the incident, the chief justice asked the chief secretary and police chief of the NWFP to appear in person.
Supreme Court Registrar Dr Faqir Hussain brought the incident to the notice of the chief justice on Friday after seeing an amateur video of the flogging aired by television channels.
“We do not know the exact venue of the incident and the circumstances in which the punishment by whipping was administered, but it certainly constitutes a serious violation of law and fundamental rights of the citizens of the country,” the chief justice said. He constituted an eight-judge bench headed by himself to hear the case on April 6.
Besides Chief Justice Iftikhar, the bench comprises Justice Javed Iqbal, Justice Sardar Mohamamd Raza Khan, Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday, Justice Faqir Mohammad Khokhar, Justice Mian Shakirullah Jan, Justice Raja Fayyaz Ahmed and Justice Chaudhry Ijaz Ahmed.
Notices were also issued to Attorney General Sardar Latif Khosa, the NWFP advocate general and the president of the Peshawar High Court Bar Association.
The private TV channels which had shown the footage were ordered to submit a copy of the recording. The Geo, Aaj and Express channels were asked to jointly compile the video of the incident and make arrangements to display it before the court.
In his note to the chief justice, the registrar stated that he had watched the video in which the victim who was crying and screaming continuously was being whipped on the charge that she had gone out of her home with a ‘na-mahram’. The exact place where the incident had taken place was not mentioned. However, it appeared to be somewhere in Mingora or a village in Swat. Probably the news had also been released by foreign media, the registrar said, adding that it was a very cruel act which violated the fundamental rights and gave a very bad name to the country. The treatment was also in violation of Islamic norms and principles, he said.
“The Constitution of Pakistan guarantees fundamental rights of its citizens,” he said, adding that no person could be deprived of life or liberty without due process of law.
“The dignity of person is inviolable. No person can be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Punishment of whipping is prohibited by law. The incident, therefore, constitutes a serious violation of the Constitution/law,” the note said.
According to Article 247 of the Constitution, it said, the executive authority of the federation extended to the tribal areas, including the Provincially Administered Tribal Areas (Pata). Daily Dawn
4 APRIL 2009 09:45
Raazi said…
Taliban establish their rule in Swat courtesy ISI:
Taliban stop NADRA office from working
LAHORE: The Taliban on Friday broke into the National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA) office in Swat, and barred those present in the building from working, a private TV channel reported on Friday. According to the channel, the armed Taliban broke into the office in the morning and told the officials to stop routine operations. The group said it had stopped the officials from working because men and women were working in the same place. They demanded the NADRA authorities ensure that men and women work separately in the office. The incident came as TV footage showing the Taliban flogging a 17-year-old girl surfaced, sparking outrage in Pakistan and abroad. The incident took place early in January. daily times monitor
Fazlullah returns to Imam Dheri
* TTP Swat chief addresses gathering after Sufi Muhammad delivers Friday sermon
Staff Report
MINGORA: Chief of the Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP) Pakistan in Swat, Mullah Fazlullah, returned to Imam Dheri Markaz – a madrassa that was previously used by him as his headquarters – on Friday after staying away from the place for two years.
Fazlullah addressed those who had gathered there for Friday prayers, after Tehreek Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi chief Sufi Muhammad delivered the Friday sermon. Fazlullah said his group had taken up arms for the enforcement of sharia, but “we have now lay down our weapons with our goal achieved”. He said the Taliban had ‘utmost faith’ in Sufi Muhammad.
He told the gathering that NATO forces could not stay in Afghanistan if their supplies were cut off through the Torkham route.
Referring to recently established qazi courts in Swat, Fazlullah said the TTP wanted qazis to make decisions in light of the holy Quran and Sunnah.
He claimed that the people of Swat had ‘voiced their support’ for the implementation of sharia, but around 240 of them had also lost their lives in the process. The TTP chief said he was not sure if he would return to his former headquarters again. “Life and death are in the hands of Allah,” he said, adding that the movement for the implementation of shariat would continue even if he died.
Separately, the Malakand commissioner said all ‘unnecessary’ checkposts had been removed from the district.
4 APRIL 2009 09:51
Kumar said…
Abdul, you still hope that Pakistan can resist Taliban. Forget it. You guys are increasingly in a minority. It is Taliban’s “Let us dismantle Pakistan” mission. Under this brand of Islam no person is safe in Pakistan. They are in a self-destructing mode. At this rate Pakistan will cease to exist.
Regards
5 APRIL 2009 14:19
Anonymous said…
hi my name is farhan and iam shocked seen this. i never imagined this happens in pakistan i ahte pakistan.
5 APRIL 2009 17:22
Anonymous said…
Taalibaan murda baad ,….. laaanat laanat laaanat
15 APRIL 2009 15:49
Taliban vis-à-vis the state of Pakistan —Daud Khattak
Such is the level of fear among the common people that not a single person from the village, not even the family members of the three abducted whose hands were severed, dared to inform the political administration or any other available state or government agency
The Taliban chopped off the hands of three alleged thieves in Orakzai tribal agency last week. Though the horrible episode was reported in the media, the government, as usual, has stayed quiet and apparently ignored this ‘state-within-the-state’ act.
Why were these three men amputated and under which law? Can someone claim, with authority, the government’s writ in Orakzai, one of the seven tribal agencies of the country? Even if they were guilty of committing theft, under which authority are armed men allowed to cut their hands to implement their style of Islam and shariah?
After many efforts, I managed to talk to one of the three affected people, Razim Shah, over the telephone to know what exactly happened in the remote Kundi village where the armed bigots are calling the shots.
The 26-year-old Razim Shah, who is the father of two children, admitted that the three were involved in theft, but their families and elders, according to him, had settled the matter with the other party and both sides had agreed on a settlement.
Still, hooded armed men broke into Shah’s house one night, dragged him out and kept him, along with his two other abettors — Khaista Khan and Bahmal Khan — in their private prison.
No one, neither among the village people nor from the government, dared question the abduction and the illegal detention of the three people during those days. Moreover, such is the level of fear among the common people that not a single person from the village, not even the family members of the three, dared to inform the political administration or any other available state or government agency.
Kundi village cannot be singled out here. A majority of those who lost their near and dear ones due to Taliban violence in the tribal areas, for one reason or another, opt to keep mum and do not blame the Taliban publicly even though they have migrated from the lawless areas and are presently living in the somewhat safer cities.
This illustrates the level of trust by the people in the state, which is responsible for ensuring the safety of the life and property of each and every individual, and the degree of trepidation inculcated in their hearts and minds by the Taliban tactics over the months and years.
Returning to the ordeal of Razim Shah, the three men were brought before the Taliban court, blindfolded, after 40 days in captivity, and the men in waiting then ordered the cutting of their right hands, disregarding the settlement between the alleged thieves and the other party.
Asked why his family had not informed the government when they were in Taliban captivity for 40 days, the hapless Razim Shah said, “Which government? To whom do we complain? There is no one to help us.”
This is the state of affairs in most parts of the tribal areas where individuals do not even know where to go and whom to approach for their complaints. And this is not just an isolated case that has come to the fore from areas being (mis)ruled by the self-proclaimed defenders of Islam.
It is not unexpected if the people who are out to challenge the writ of the state commit such crimes, but the irony is the absence of the state and government, its security agencies and political administration, which draw huge sums from the national exchequer to ensure the writ of the government and safety of life and property of individuals.
Happenings like the one in Kundi village and many others, both reported and unreported, are rampant and the state has done nothing. In Swat a girl was reportedly flogged by armed Taliban and their spokesman, Muslim Khan, admitted the same before a television camera along with boasting about how they behead people and slaughter them like animals; in Bajaur Taliban violence knew no bounds; in Mohmand Agency alleged kidnappers were publicly executed just a few kilometres from Peshawar; in South Waziristan hundreds of elders were killed without knowing their sin, and in Khyber, again, public executions were conducted just a few kilometres from Peshawar. Hence fear of the Taliban has ossified in the hearts and minds of common citizens, finally compelling them to believe that this is their fate and there is no way of emancipation.
And the harm caused by this psyche among the masses is unimaginable. It is not only the dwellers of Kundi village who will accept the Taliban as a power towering over the state of Pakistan. In this age of media revolution, the story has reached every village, town and city. The people are also now being conditioned to believe the same, thus further dwindling their trust in the state and its institutions supposed to safeguard individuals.
In recent months, the terminology of “winning hearts and minds” has become the most used catchphrase in each and every discussion regarding the tribal areas or other troubled parts where the armed forces are conducting operations against the Taliban.
One such operation is also underway against the militants in Orakzai Agency. But can someone actually answer how the government or its security agencies will win the hearts and minds of the people in the face of public executions, chopping off of hands and kidnapping for ransom?
Distribution of food items or small financial amounts as compensation is like distributing mere lollypops and cannot win hearts and minds. To accomplish the job is to restore the trust of the people in the state by ensuring the safety of their lives and property in each and every part of the country.
The writer can be reached at khattakjr@gmail.com
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\05\12\story_12-5-2010_pg3_4
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