Why are followers of Al Qaeda, Taliban and Sipah-e-Sahaba barbaric in nature? Where do they draw inspiration from? A dialogue grounded in history

Ghost Of TK Says:
December 20th, 2008

[to a supporter of Taliban who is against Pakistan Army’s operation against terrorists in Swat and FATA, who alleged that Pakistan army “killed our Muslim brothers and sisters in tribal areas.”]

You mean the same “muslim brothers” of yours who 3 days ago dug up a dead body (Pir Samiullah of Barelvi sect in Swat) and hung it by a pole? Something that not even the barbarians of ayyam-e-jaahiliyyat did? (come on, make up a conspiracy now… it must be the jews who did it!)

I am not surprised that supporters of such acts are on this forum barking at another dead body (General Alvi of SSG), tormenting the “alleged” relatives of the dead man.

All in the name of Islam and “our muslim brothers”.

Produce me ONE EXAMPLE that shows that the Prophet (S) did inhuman things like this?? And people have the NERVE to invoke Islam in these geo-political conflicts!

Some perspective please!


jazoo Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

@Ghost of TK

Mauwiah did
He killed Sahabi-e-Rasul Hajar bin Adi(ra) & cut his body into pieces.
Mauwiah also killed Mohammad Bin Abi Bakr(ra) & burned his dead body in Donkey’s skin.


Ghost Of TK Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

@jazoo: Well don’t forget Hind.

The point is, that our “Muslim Brozzers” are acting worse than the fvcking Kuffar-e-Makkah

Food for thought?


jazoo Says:
December 20th, 2008

In an effort to eradicate freedom of expression, Muawiyah started off with
the killing of Hujr, who was a famous Tabi’i and the respected Sahabi of
Imam Ali (AS). During the time of Muawiyah when Imam Ali (AS) was being
cursed from the pulpits of the mosques, it caused a lot of pain and grief
to the Muslims, but people were patient. However Hujr in Kufah could not
further bear this and in resistance Hujr used to praise Imam Ali (AS) and
curse Muawiyah. Mughairah who was the Governor of Kufah at that time was
considerate towards Hujr. However, during the Governership of Ziyad, when
Basra was also included with Kufah, differences emerged between Ziyad and
Hujr. Ziyad used to swear (say bad words) and Hujr used to reply to Ziyad.
During this period Hujr also corrected Ziyad when he delayed the Friday
Prayer. Eventually Hujr along with his twelve companions were arrested on
the following charges

– Hujr had organized a group and he used to swear at Muawiyah
– He instigates people to fight against Muawiyah
– He claims that the Caliphate belongs to Imam Ali and his
progeny (AS)
– He supports Abu Turab (nickname of Imam Ali (AS))
– He sends his blessings on Imam Ali (AS)

So under these charges, these personalities were sent to Muawiyah, and
Muawiyah ordered their killing. Before their execution, the executors said
to them:

We have been ordered that if you show negative feelings towards Ali
and curse him you shall be free to go, otherwise you shall have to die
(shall be killed).

Upon hearing this Hujr and his companions refused to do what they were
asked to do, and Hujr replied:

I can’t utter those words from my tongue that would anger my Lord!

Following this they were killed, with the exception of Abdurrahman Ibn
Hassaan who was sent by Muawiyah to Ziyad with the order that Ziyad himself
should brutally kill him, and thereby, he was buried alive.

references :
– Histroy of al-Tabari, v4, pp 190-206
– al-Isti’ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v1, p135
– History of Ibn Kathir, v3, pp 234-242
– al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, v8, pp 50-55
– History of Ibn Khaldoon, v3

jazoo Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Reviving the Customs of the Jahiliyyah
Amputations of the head and moving the heads from one place to another,
the mistreatment of the dead bodies out of sheer passion of revenge, that
was prevalent during the days of ignorance (al-Jahiliyyah), started again
among the Muslims during this era.

Case 1:

The very first head that was amputated from the body during the
Islamic period was of Ammar Ibn Yasir (RA), the famous companion of
the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF). Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad
narrates a tradition as follows, that has also been mentioned in the
Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d that:

In the Battle of Siffin, when the head of Ammar Yasir (RA) was
cut off and was taken to Muawiyah, two people were arguing over
it, each one claiming that he had killed Ammar.

– Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Traditions #6538, #6929 Printed in Dar al-
Maarif, Egypt 1952
– al-Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa’d, v3, p253

Case 2:

The second head that was amputated from the body was for Umro Ibn al-
Hamaq, who was among the companions of the prophet (Allah’s blessings
on him and his cleansed progeny). Muawiyah alleged that he has
participated in the assassination of Uthman. When efforts were carried
out for his arrest, he hid in a cave, where a snake bit him. The
people who were in his pursuit cut off the head from the dead body and
took it to Ziyad. He then sent it to Muawiyah in Damascus, where the
head was roamed around the city and was finally presented to his wife
in her lap.

– al-Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa’d, v6, p25
– al-Isti’ab, v2, p440
– al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, v8, p48
– Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, v8, p24

Case 3:

The same atrocity was committed against Muhammad Ibn Abi Bakr (RA) who
was the Governor for Imam Ali (AS) in Egypt. When Muawiyah captured
Egypt, he was arrested and was killed. His dead body was placed in a
belly of a dead donkey and then was brutally burnt.

– al-Isti’ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v1, p235
– History of al-Tabari, v4, p79
– History of Ibn Kathir, v3, p180
– History of Ibn Khaldoon, v2, p182

Case 4:

After this, it became a tradition for people who sought vengeance
after their enemies were killed. Imam Husain’s (AS) head was
amputated, and was taken from Karbala to Kufah and from Kufah to
Damascus. The body of Imam Husain (AS) was brutally ruined by the
running of horses.

– History of al-Tabari, v4, pp 349-351,356
– History of Ibn Kathir, v3, pp 296-298
– al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, v8, pp 189-192

Ghost Of TK Says:
December 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

@jazoo: interesting. btw, what is your opinion re: such acts? then and/or now? just wondering.

Also where did you get the Al-Tabari reference? Is this and article which you quoted which has the Al-Tabari reference?

jazoo Says:
December 20th, 2008

@Ghost of TK

What I think–type of people u follow–u get the inspirations from them.
Perhaps u have read one of my mail where I point out how difficult it is for a true Muslim Pakistani General to push the button of nuclear warhead.
All these references are authentic & solid.