What do ordinary Pakistanis think?

Ghost of TK says:

The number of Dead in Buner reaches 41.

2 squadrons of F-16 killed 200
1 suicide bomber killed 41

Our condemnations of Israeli actions do ring a bit hollow when we completely overlook the heinous crimes being committed in the name of “Islam” right on our soil.

Mr. Munafiq, head of Jamat “Islami” (Qazi Hussain Ahmed) brushed off the Buner attack yesterday by saying …”oh THAT was only personal rivalry.”

So, now, the blessed jihad factories are producing GPS’s ..ie; “General Purpose Suiciders”… DON”T BLAME ISLAM for it…

We’re like the United States, we just innovate, and then people make their own factories.

India has the NANO and the Space Mission to the Moon, We have the fvcking Jihadi Jacket!

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netengr Says:

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we_are_nuts Says:

I do want to point out that i used to defend the Palestinian cause ad nauseum but have changed my mind given the recent situation in Pakistan. If Pakistanis need to do anything for the Palestinians, it is pray. For more than that, Pakistan needs to be at least as strong as Iran INTERNALLY before going out on any adventures.

Pakistani ‘awam’ should also note that it was our great Islami sipha-e-salar General Zia-ul-Haq that went and killed hundreds if not thousands of Palestinians. So if his bakhiajat are here on this forum speweing hate and violence, for the sake of your leader, if you can’t do what he did, just don’t do anything….

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gditpp Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

Inalillah e wa in alehay rajayoon

World is in the midst of Clash of the Rightist: Zionists, Hindutva preachers, Evalenglical Christian fundamentalisits and Muslim religious fanatics.

Rather than becoming the fooder of a misadeventure, we have to put our house in order and prepare and equip ourselves before taking on others.

We need to stop following the foot steps of militants like Syed Ismael, Mehdi Sudani, Akhwan and its offspring Hammas, Jamaat and its off spring Taleban and the Alqaeda and start following in the foot steps of reformers and modernist like Sir Syed, Jinnah, Mahatir and Bhutto.

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Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

Hamas, LeT, Taliban, Jaish-e-mohammad, Hizbollah, Spiah-e-sahabah, Ikhwan, Jammat-e-Islami, all the different faces of a coin.

Israelis has used this strategy {of Violence} for years it hasn’t worked.

Palestinians has use this strategy {of Violence} for years its hasn’t worked.

So i think they need to change that.
there MUST be someone who could STOP both Isreali terrorists and terrorists of Hammas.

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netengr Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Why people do not have the same reaction when taliban or muslim groups kill thousand of people .the same day we have bomb blast in bannu where more then 50 innocent muslims killed by militant .In saudi arabia there is special dua for the destroy of jews .I still cant understand that the life or the human or muslim should be equal .the “zulm ” is either by muslims or jews etc should have the same reaction by muslims

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Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

yes i agree with netengr

none of these, who are supporting the Hammas and their acts, reacted the same way when a succide bomber killed 180-220 people in Karachi in Oct 2007.

they didn’t gave same reaction when Suicide Mujaheddin killed people at Mariot, Bombay, Wah Cannt, Peshawer or Twin Towers.

‘Zulm’ is ‘zulm’ no matter done by Jews, Christians or faithful Muslims.

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Ghost Of TK Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

@netengr: Why do you hate Islam? Do you not know that the blessed attackers in Bannu were mujahids who are fighting against the Kuffur of the Pakistani State?

So what if 50 people were killed? They are also collateral shaheed. Also do you not see that the Bannu attack shook the foundations of the Zulm-o-Istibdaad of the Zionist Agent Pakistani Regime? Fully 2 motorcycles (100cc each) were destroyed in this Ghazva.

Don’t be on the wrong side of history! Blow yourself up Today! Offer ends this century. Some conditions apply.

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Asif Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

Why don’t people condemn all the innocent killings around the world? Selective condemning of innocent killings will not tone down terrorism.

Be subjective wen you define something universal, have the courage & ability to condemn all such acts, whether they are done thru missiles or thru eploding oneself.

Wat is brainwashing? its drilling of brains with selective info. So just decide by yourself the extent to which various people are brainwashed, geographically, ethnicaly, religously…

Everyone on earth is being brainwashed by someone for something good or bad depending on the objective of the brainwasher AND the severiest is wen certain groups of people stop condemning certain innocent killings.

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Utmankhel1 Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

Just to complete the picture here,

35 shaheed in Buner

2 killed in Waziristan

14 afghan kids among the 16 killed in Afghanistan

I dont know whether to add them to the toll in palestine,s casualties or subtract them from. However, i thought it necessary to be mentioned them as well….. they were humans and muslims as well, though somewhat cheap, as i have read express newspaper and there the headline was 200 palestinians shaheed but when they will write about the Buner’s casualties tomorrow i doubt they would call them shaheed. Let’s see ………

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lofty Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

What on earth is wrong with Hamas. If they do not have the capability to fight Israel why are they getting innocent muslims killed. Quran is very clear, if Jihad is undertaken by the muslim state, the balance of power between the muslim state and transgressing enemy must not be less than 1:2. In other words, if the balance of power between the two is such that the Muslims have less than half the material power as compared to that of their enemies, then they should avoid aggression and in place of that they should work to improve their power structure to the level of at least half that of their enemies.

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netengr Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

people killed by militant in bajor,wana,sawat ,etc are far more then people killed in Palestine. but not jihadi mulla condemn ,people got killed in Karachi between 1986 to 1992 are 10 times more then people killed in Philistine .

Casualty figures for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the OCHAoPt[123]
(numbers in brackets represent casualties under the age of 18)

Year Deaths
Palestinians Israelis
2005 216 (52) 48 (6)
2006 678 (127) 25 (2)
2007 396 (43) 13 (0)
Total 1290(222) 86 (8)

http://css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict

116 suicide bombings in Pakistan since 2002 ,Thousand of people killed by so called islamic jihadis and taliban .thousand of people killed by saddam ,iran -iraq war .million got killed by fighting between mujahideen in afghanistan .

1290 people killed in Philistine since 2005 and each incident become big in pakistan where in pakistan people got killed every day and people support the militant and defending them ,

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netengr Says:
December 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

-Israel Killed 1500 Palestinian muslims in last three years
-Hammas Killed 300 Israelis jews in last three years
-Osama bin ladin killed 10000 Mulims ,
Hikmat yaar killed thousands mulims .
Mulla Umer killed thousand innocent mulims
bush killed thousands muslims .
Taliban Killed thousands of innocent muslims ,
Baitullah mehsoud is the mass murmurer of innocent muslims
Million muslims killed in afghanistan fighting between so called mujahideen .

Zulm is zulm ,Qatl is Qatal ,either bu jews muslims or any one ,

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netengr Says:
December 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

Pakistani muslims killed by taliban has no worth in muslim world .

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FahadAfridi Says:
December 29th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

All those super duper muslims accusing me of not caring about Muslims, do YOU care about hundreds of Muslims killed by ISI backed Taliban? Have you spoken out against your terror army? You don’t care about pukhtun lives, so why should I loose sleep over the lives of arabs? Let your arab shiekhas take care of them.

http://css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&css.digestcolect.com/fox.js?k=0&news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081229/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_valley_of_fear

Scenic Pakistani valley falls to Taliban militants

By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer Nahal Toosi, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 17 mins ago

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Taliban militants are beheading and burning their way through Pakistan’s picturesque Swat Valley, and residents say the insurgents now control most of the mountainous region far from the lawless tribal areas where jihadists thrive.

The deteriorating situation in the former tourist haven comes despite an army offensive that began in 2007 and an attempted peace deal. It is especially worrisome to Pakistani officials because the valley lies outside the areas where al-Qaida and Taliban militants have traditionally operated and where the military is staging a separate offensive….

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